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Old 11-09-2007, 02:23 PM   #121
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This part that failed is clearly not the correct material or design.
Really? How can you "clearly" make that assertion? What alloy is being used that is "clearly" not right? How is that "clearly" not the right design?

Don't you think that all the guys that race (and crash) these bikes, and the stresses put on these bikes by them, would have exposed this obvious flaw long ago?
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You can tell it was intened to be a load bearing structure and have a tensional force from bolting.
Hmmm, load bearing and articulating. Two different things, no? It's made to pivot, therefore the forces or "loads" it bears is significantly different.

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It failed at the weekest link (the eyelets that were dsigned to bear load) from being to hard a metal (making it brittle) or a poor desgn (incorrect geometry).
"too hard metal (making it brittle)"- here is a quick easy question: Steel is harder than aluminum, right? Which one breaks easier or is more "brittle"?

Sure, it failed at it's weakest point, but the eyelets (as you call them) were not designed to "bear load", the bolt is and the metal between the "eyelets" are designed to carry the load. I don't think you will ever be able to argue that a hole is designed to carry load...
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I don't get how we determined that this happened after the crash and not some time before.
Common sense says that with the way it's mounted, the way the suspension articulates, and the way it apparently broke, it's near impossible for this to have broken before the crash. However, given the violent nature of a high-side crash, and the way a bike lands after such an event, it is INFINITELY more likely that it broke AFTER the crash.

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This could have been broken from a pot hole he ran over on the Tuesday before the ride and it was the speed, cornering, and force (highside) that caused the separation.
Sure anything is possible. Maybe Santa Clause really did come down my chimney and leave me presents when I was a kid too.
Seriously dude, you can "what if" this thing to death. Not likely that it broke prior to the event. Not to mention you can see in the pics that the point where the metal broke apart is fresh. Something that began to crack or tear over time would show up as dirty looking in comparison to the clean look of the metal where it broke.
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Sorry about the spelling on the last post, I was being rushed since we were head over to the French Quarter for lunch.
What's your excuse for this post?

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Old 11-09-2007, 02:31 PM   #124
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You interested in selling your tank now that the damage is done?
Now that's just wrong.


Funny.



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But funny.
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:32 PM   #125
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haha.

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Old 11-09-2007, 02:32 PM   #126
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actually, maybe not...what's the other end of the dogbone connected to? and what is its purpose?
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:35 PM   #127
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must....resist....posting nerdy engineering.....info


ugh
Go ahead, I'm only waiting for one of you types to prove me wrong anyway... I'm trying use common sense, and I know that has no place in the real world!


I have seen lots of stuff that engineers look at and say, "that can't happen that way, that's impossible... did that really happen?"
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Go ahead, I'm only waiting for one of you types to prove me wrong anyway... I'm trying use common sense, and I know that has no place in the real world!


I have seen lots of stuff that engineers look at and say, "that can't happen that way, that's impossible... did that really happen?"
yeah, common sense and engineering don't always go hand in hand
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I guess that pretty much teaches to try and learn something from this using these photos and your experiance.
I drop it here...
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:58 PM   #132
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I guess that pretty much teaches to try and learn something from this using these photos and your experiance.
I drop it here...
Schweet! Does that mean I E-Win?

Kidding... kidding, I kid, I kid.


Dude, I'm not trying to bag on you, it's just a discussion. I'm countering your points, you can counter mine, it's what helps us learn. I could be wrong in all this and then again, so could you. It's how we operate. Don't quit if you have more information or something we're missing.
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out of 7 pages of info, nobody has yet to get it correct.
does the phrase :
"Gravitational pull of the moon" mean anything to you guys?
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cletus, you just got schooled by professor Tom!

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Really? How can you "clearly" make that assertion? What alloy is being used that is "clearly" not right? How is that "clearly" not the right design?

Don't you think that all the guys that race (and crash) these bikes, and the stresses put on these bikes by them, would have exposed this obvious flaw long ago?

Hmmm, load bearing and articulating. Two different things, no? It's made to pivot, therefore the forces or "loads" it bears is significantly different.

"too hard metal (making it brittle)"- here is a quick easy question: Steel is harder than aluminum, right? Which one breaks easier or is more "brittle"?

Sure, it failed at it's weakest point, but the eyelets (as you call them) were not designed to "bear load", the bolt is and the metal between the "eyelets" are designed to carry the load. I don't think you will ever be able to argue that a hole is designed to carry load...

Common sense says that with the way it's mounted, the way the suspension articulates, and the way it apparently broke, it's near impossible for this to have broken before the crash. However, given the violent nature of a high-side crash, and the way a bike lands after such an event, it is INFINITELY more likely that it broke AFTER the crash.



Sure anything is possible. Maybe Santa Clause really did come down my chimney and leave me presents when I was a kid too.
Seriously dude, you can "what if" this thing to death. Not likely that it broke prior to the event. Not to mention you can see in the pics that the point where the metal broke apart is fresh. Something that began to crack or tear over time would show up as dirty looking in comparison to the clean look of the metal where it broke.


What's your excuse for this post?

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out of 7 pages of info, nobody has yet to get it correct.
does the phrase :
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El Nino?
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I guess that pretty much teaches to try and learn something from this using these photos and your experiance.
I drop it here...
don't stop the debate on "what, when and how" it happened, we may all learn something new here...
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out of 7 pages of info, nobody has yet to get it correct.
does the phrase :
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Maybe Dr. Gonzo rode it without him knowing and blew up the suspension components as he's done with all the motors he's ridden this year!
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alot of us like to blame the bike when we crash, when i wrecked on my friends bike i blamed the tires when it seems like it might have been bad throttle control since i wasn't used to the difference from my bike to his.

that being said, a friend of mine that was behind you said you went too wide in the turn, hit gravel and then it was game over from there on. i'm not trying to stir anything up, just stating that it might have been you and not the bike to blame.

regardless, i'm glad you're okay and hope we can all ride again soon =]
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alot of us like to blame the bike when we crash, when i wrecked on my friends bike i blamed the tires when it seems like it might have been bad throttle control since i wasn't used to the difference from my bike to his.

that being said, a friend of mine that was behind you said you went too wide in the turn, hit gravel and then it was game over from there on. i'm not trying to stir anything up, just stating that it might have been you and not the bike to blame.

regardless, i'm glad you're okay and hope we can all ride again soon =]
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