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Old 11-09-2007, 12:32 PM   #101
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try it... if you get on the gas hard enough you'll do an endo!
lol.. you try it first...
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lol.. you try it first...

its awesome.. I do it all the time!
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It the back of your bike is rising while you get on the gas you have bigger problems.
Actually, a well designed rear suspension should induce anti-squat.

Squat during accelleration is due to weight transfer and poor suspension design or shock settings. If the rear is squatting, then the tire is actually trying to rise off the pavement.

I learned this years ago building drag cars; you want to see the rear tire and fender seperate when on the gas. This means the tire is being planted and maximum traction is attained.

When the rear of the car/bike squats.. it looks cool, but it is wasted motion and reducing traction.
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Old 11-09-2007, 12:41 PM   #105
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Actually, point 2, the dogbone, pivots the other way as the swingarm rises. Point 1 on the shock goes up, not down.

Basically the swingarm pulls up and back on point 3, point 2 pivots, and point 1 pushes up against the shock.
yeah this makes sense.
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ya, so the picture on the right? with the green arrows?
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Actually, a well designed rear suspension should induce anti-squat.

Squat during accelleration is due to weight transfer and poor suspension design or shock settings. If the rear is squatting, then the tire is actually trying to rise off the pavement.
yeah imagine shocks with no compression or rebound damping you'd be slipping and sliding all over the place!
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ya, so the picture on the right? with the green arrows?
No, both 1 and 3 are rising. And the swingarm is pulling in the exact direction the holes tore..
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Something like this....

Makes me also wonder how stiff his compression dampening was set... one reason why "race" settings are often too stiff for our rough roads....
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so the conclusion......rider error.....not mechanical.

to the person that took the spill.....don't listen to your avation buddy. he's full of . that part may be a weak part, but it definately broke AFTER the wreck. if you cannot admit rider error....then be doomed to crash again, and hopefully next time you'll still be able to come on here and tell us about it.

the worst thing you can do after a wreck, is not blame yourself. KNOW YOUR MISTAKES, or accept the fact that you will go down again, and may not have an excuse to use.
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Makes me also wonder how stiff his compression dampening was set...
maybe his chain was too tight......and didn't allow the suspension to travel, because i thought i read someone adjusted his chain and stuff
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Makes me also wonder how stiff his compression dampening was set... one reason why "race" settings are often too stiff for our rough roads....
good explanation.... This is all the cliff notes you need.
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so the conclusion......rider error.....not mechanical.

to the person that took the spill.....don't listen to your avation buddy. he's full of . that part may be a weak part, but it definately broke AFTER the wreck. if you cannot admit rider error....then be doomed to crash again, and hopefully next time you'll still be able to come on here and tell us about it.

the worst thing you can do after a wreck, is not blame yourself. KNOW YOUR MISTAKES, or accept the fact that you will go down again, and may not have an excuse to use.
Don't be too hard on him... he said he doesn't remember the wreck...

But if the witness behind him reported correctly, he needs to slow down and re-evaluate his skill level.
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so the conclusion......rider error.....not mechanical.
its possible for it to happen during, too much stress on a weak part... but more likely than not it was rider error and the crash caused it. Mistakes are learned from, im hopin he won't try that again.
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Don't be too hard on him... he said he doesn't remember the wreck...

But if the witness behind him reported correctly, he needs to slow down and re-evaluate his skill level.
my apologies, my words were pretty harsh, let me rephrase my words....

i'm sorry it had to happen to you, but i hope you do learn something from this. seriously, the last thing any of us want is another rip thread. we're all here to help, you should come watch a trackday, or even attend one. i'm willing to dedicate a few sessions or between sessions to help you about cornering/braking/exiting
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This part that failed is clearly not the correct material or design. You can tell it was intened to be a load bearing structure and have a tensional force from bolting. It failed at the weekest link (the eyelets that were dsigned to bear load) from being to hard a metal (making it brittle) or a poor desgn (incorrect geometry).

I don't get how we determined that this happened after the crash and not some time before. This could have been broken from a pot hole he ran over on the Tuesday before the ride and it was the speed, cornering, and force (highside) that caused the separation.

Sorry about the spelling on the last post, I was being rushed since we were head over to the French Quarter for lunch.
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