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Old 11-09-2007, 08:24 AM   #21
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This group is no more a danger to others than any group of bikes is dangerous. The ones that prefer a spirited ride will do it whether in a group or solo. We all know if is safer to ride in groups.
I see groups like this on 1458 and I see them on 3097. To say one group is more dangerous than any other is not founded.

To that point, this Group will allow any rider at any riding level to join. There is an inherent risk in that alone and I think that might be the reason this group may have a higher incident rate than other. But everyone must be given an opportunity to increase their skills and this group provides that.
I think that this is the reason that it is so strongly stressed at these rides that you ride within your capabilties with skill in reserve. It is still the choice of the individual.

Personally, I ride in the back of the group because it is such a beautiful ride that I like to take my time being out in the country and getting away from it all. I am in no hurry and they always wait for me and will come looking if I don't show.

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Old 11-09-2007, 08:27 AM   #22
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This group is no more a danger to others than any group of bikes is dangerous. The ones that prefer a spirited ride will do it whether in a group or solo. We all know if is safer to ride in groups.
I see groups like this on 1458 and I see them on 3097. To say one group is more dangerous than any other is not founded.

To that point, this Group will allow any rider at any riding level to join. There is an inherent risk in that alone and I think that might be the reason this group may have a higher incident rate than other. But everyone must be given an opportunity to increase their skills and this group provides that.
I think that this is the reason that it is so strongly stressed at these rides that you ride within your capabilties with skill in reserve. It is still the choice of the individual.

Personally, I ride in the back of the group because it is such a beautiful ride that I like to take my time being out in the country and getting away from it all. I am in no hurry and they always wait for me and will come looking if I don't show.

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I dont doubt that its fun, , I'd dig the heck out of it, would probably, or most assuredly be one that others are waiting for at the next light though. I also agree, the groups of all the Harley folks with little or no experience, little or no gear, are no safer even though they are not hauling . they really scare me
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Old 11-09-2007, 08:44 AM   #23
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Get off your high horse Scoot. You telling me you've never accelerated out of a curve and ended up at 60mph at the end of a 45mph turn on your bike? You're the one who does burnouts while going WOT on the hwy shifting gears, aren't you?

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Old 11-09-2007, 08:49 AM   #24
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people are talking sideways about your accident? Hmm, maybe I missed that...glad you made it out alright.... Jimmy's rides are nice, does a good job of explaining the rules, everyone man for themselves. Just not for everyone, but talking sideways I think is a little extreme.:/: Count your blessings man
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Get off your high horse Scoot. You telling me you've never accelerated out of a curve and ended up at 60mph at the end of a 45mph turn on your bike? You're the one who does burnouts while going WOT on the hwy shifting gears, aren't you?

Pot, I'd like to introduce you to the Kettle...
funny stuff, another commenting on me w/o knowing any facts. good stuff einstein.

nope, never said I didnt speed, in fact, if you would read two posts down from the one your commenting on. (funny, sure makes your "pot and kettle" comment pretty lame 'eh?)
and yup, I likes to do rolling burnouts, but not on roads with curves and highways and peoples in cars. I may goof off on my street in front of the house (I live on a cul de sac), I may goof off on a vacant straight portion going to my shop in the wee early morning hours. Never do highway stunts or burnouts etc etc , thats insane and asking for a casket early, plus I ride a Hardley, it don't wheelie to well.
I never said I didnt goof off, I just show some restraint, and I seriously dont want to be in a RIP thread, so it calms my twistin' wrist attitude.
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Old 11-09-2007, 08:55 AM   #26
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^ also, how many times have you seen me start threads about someone going down on a ride with us? answer = none.

How many threads have you seen "rider down" from a "spirited" group ride started here? answer = weekly, no doubt
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Old 11-09-2007, 09:33 AM   #27
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It looks to me like there was a highside with the landing causing the compression to break the dogbone.
I could be wrong though
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It looks to me like there was a highside with the landing causing the compression to break the dogbone.
I could be wrong though

Have a pic of the way this part mounts? It looks an aweful lot like tension rather than compression. Look at the way it broke, the "top" of the mount broke, like it was pulled (tension or torsion maybe).

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I agree with everyone else, looks like the result of the crash, not the cause.
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Have a pic of the way this part mounts? It looks an aweful lot like tension rather than compression. Look at the way it broke, the "top" of the mount broke, like it was pulled (tension or torsion maybe).

Got one Swift?

I agree with everyone else, looks like the result of the crash, not the cause.
I'll get a pics tonight
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Have a pic of the way this part mounts? It looks an aweful lot like tension rather than compression. Look at the way it broke, the "top" of the mount broke, like it was pulled (tension or torsion maybe).

Got one Swift?

I agree with everyone else, looks like the result of the crash, not the cause.
I also like looking at stuff like this and trying to figure it out. interesting stuff
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Have a pic of the way this part mounts? It looks an aweful lot like tension rather than compression. Look at the way it broke, the "top" of the mount broke, like it was pulled (tension or torsion maybe).

Got one Swift?

I agree with everyone else, looks like the result of the crash, not the cause.
I agree....failure would have happened on the "bottom of the mount" or from the top of the mount above the shock...looks like a crash result, not a crash factor.
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I agree....failure would have happened on the "bottom of the mount" or from the top of the mount above the shock...looks like a crash result, not a crash factor.
Well if that part would fail, I don't think it would fail in the direction it shows in the pics. That looks like a result, not a cause to me (and yeah, I've seen my share...).
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i thought the same thing when reading the thread and viewing the pics. i personally have no experience with that bike, but from the looks of it, it would have had to break on the opposite side.
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What group ride was this crash on?

I don't even think you need to say
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there is a link to a 675 forum in his first post which has pics.
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if the rear did infact break while in the turn, wouldnt the rear tire show wear marks from it rubbing to a stop? even moving the bike onto the trailer would of put some marks on the tire. unless you picked the whole bike up and walked it into the truck.
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I would say it broke after the bike flipped and smacked the subframe. (according to the pics) So, the question is.. Have you contacted Triumph?
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So, the question is.. Have you contacted Triumph?
Why? Look at the pics, I doubt there's any way that broke before the crash. You can see the top part of the bracket still in the bolt. For it to break from compression, it would have had to rotate and then break. You can see in the pics that it broke cleanly downward with torsion or tension (twisting or pulling).

Triumph shouldn't have responsibility there... of course, these are pics and it may look different in person, but those pics are pretty telling IMHO.

Not to mention, with all the people racing these bikes, a "flaw" with design like is implied by the owner would have surfaced by now.
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