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Old 11-06-2007, 04:09 PM   #161
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First off, I have to praise you. You have very good arguments that don't seem childish or un-educated. First off, I agree there are lots of people using welfare.

When I talk about things only directed towards minorities, two major things come to mind. One is the credentials to get into a major university are lower for minorities. In fact, look at Prairie View A&M. You can get an education from a credited A&M university, but because I am white, I am not allowed to attend that university. My GPA was not good enough to make it into A&M in College Station. Not to mention I was too lazy to work my way through college. Grants and government assistance are the same way. There are thousands of programs for minority groups that "White Americans" can't use. Now, you will notice I said minorities, not black people. This paragraph is to explain what I mean about stuff for minorities. American is American. Why aren't we all equal in both of those topics?

Last, I come from an agricultural town and my family currently leases 500 acres with over 70 head of cattle. You ask if ag people should be allow to enjoy the tax breaks they enjoy. I say yes. The agricultural business keeps beef in our stores, corn for our E85 etc. etc. There really isn't a lot of money in it for the SMALL farms. Without the tax breaks that would keep the small guy from even being able to have a farm. Those tax breaks don't put money in our pockets by any means. Helping ag people keep their farms going does wonders for the US economy. Not to mention the environment.

I don't mind people getting assistance. Everyone needs assistance, but I don't think it should be racially biased. If you are a black farmer, white farmer, blue purple or any color, the tax breaks are the same for ag people. That is one field where everyone is equal.
Thanks I definitely appreciate the compliments and agree whole heartedly on ag folks get the assistance they get , actually...I think they deserve more. We need to be putting more emphasis on domestic goods and the consumption thereof, we are far too dependent on foreign goods and and further, foreign economies. I'm actually going to be one of those receiving said government aid once I decide to retire to a farm somewhere south of Brenham, north of Houston with my horses and 20 or more acres of land.

Now that said, what makes you think you can't get into Prairie View? I know plenty of whites that go to PVMU and have received degrees, not to mention that in efforts to acquire more white students, there are some financial aid packets available that even black student's wouldn't get...I know, weird huh (especially considering some of the arguments seen here and there )
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^^haha, little secret, ag taxes on land are dirt cheap
ag as in agricultural land?

don't they get federal help as well?
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My turn,
I don't really care where you are from. I don't care what denomination you are from. I don't care what race you are. I don't care how you got here.
But if you are here, then you need to be registered in the system and holding a job to stay. The tax burden should be the same for everyone. It is wrong to have to pay more because you make more. I have to pay more because more people are using the public systems than paying for it. If everybody pays their fair share, I pay less.
Get a job if you don't have one!
You guys in school, pay extra attention in class and get your homework done so you can get a job and help pay taxes with the rest of us so we can can keep this great and wonderful ship we call the USA a float!!!

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ag as in agricultural land?

don't they get federal help as well?
I know they used to.. :dontknow:
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ag as in agricultural land?

don't they get federal help as well?
I don't think so on a small scale. We haven't even tried that. Now the big farms and major operations might. I don't know to be honest. But yes, ag as in agricultural.
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I know they used to.. :dontknow:
that was a racist statement!!!! YOU RACIST!!!!
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are you kidding me? A friend of mine has 56 acres in Llano, tx and leased it for cattle 4 years ago and is STILL struggling to keep it, B/C of taxes
haha...he ain't doing som'n right then bro...lemme tell ya... two words...COASTAL BERMUDA
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Thanks I definitely appreciate the compliments and agree whole heartedly on ag folks get the assistance they get , actually...I think they deserve more. We need to be putting more emphasis on domestic goods and the consumption thereof, we are far too dependent on foreign goods and and further, foreign economies. I'm actually going to be one of those receiving said government aid once I decide to retire to a farm somewhere south of Brenham, north of Houston with my horses and 20 or more acres of land.

Now that said, what makes you think you can't get into Prairie View? I know plenty of whites that go to PVMU and have received degrees, not to mention that in efforts to acquire more white students, there are some financial aid packets available that even black student's wouldn't get...I know, weird huh (especially considering some of the arguments seen here and there )
Well then I was mis-informed by my counselor at my school about prairie view. I'm not suprised that there are grants that are available that black student's can't get also. That has to do with my point. Since it is so easy to argue black/white because that seems to come up the most, I will say it again, I think all those "Perks" should not be racially biased either way. I think transcripts, grants, loans, applications etc. should not even have a place to select a race.
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are you kidding me? A friend of mine has 56 acres in Llano, tx and leased it for cattle 4 years ago and is STILL struggling to keep it, B/C of taxes
Then he did something wrong. Did it have a house on it? And how much cattle were being kept on it? I know in La Grange, you can pay as little as 4-500/yr on a 100 acre ranch if you run enough cattle on it.
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The tax burden should be the same for everyone. It is wrong to have to pay more because you make more. I have to pay more because more people are using the public systems than paying for it. If everybody pays their fair share, I pay less.
Agreed but I feel the need to point out one key thing that folks sometimes tend to forget...given a system where everyone pays their relative fair share, if you make more money then you will essetially pay more out. Think of it based on a percentage, if I make ten dollars a month and you make a thousand dollars a month with a given tax rate of ten percent...you will pay out more than I will and seemingly significantly so... :/: but that is what's fair...in my opinion...
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Oh, and by the way Cajun, hurry up and buy land now. That area is about to boom. 5 years ago I had a chance to buy 50 acres for 75k in West Point, TX, just west of La Grange, well that same land is going for 4-5000/acre today. Better jump on it while you can. I am actually moving my wife and kid back there next month when my lease is over.
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Well then I was mis-informed by my counselor at my school about prairie view. I'm not suprised that there are grants that are available that black student's can't get also. That has to do with my point. Since it is so easy to argue black/white because that seems to come up the most, I will say it again, I think all those "Perks" should not be racially biased either way. I think transcripts, grants, loans, applications etc. should not even have a place to select a race.
but what if the United Negro College Fund gave away a scholarship to a "white" kid.....that would be odd don't you think?
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Well then I was mis-informed by my counselor at my school about prairie view. I'm not suprised that there are grants that are available that black student's can't get also. That has to do with my point. Since it is so easy to argue black/white because that seems to come up the most, I will say it again, I think all those "Perks" should not be racially biased either way. I think transcripts, grants, loans, applications etc. should not even have a place to select a race.
Yeah your counselor must have had some bad information or provided you mis-information. :/: I think you're right though, grants, loan, or any other perk IN LIFE should be based on merit alone...not color or any other sociologically determined factor
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Agreed but I feel the need to point out one key thing that folks sometimes tend to forget...given a system where everyone pays their relative fair share, if you make more money then you will essetially pay more out. Think of it based on a percentage, if I make ten dollars a month and you make a thousand dollars a month with a given tax rate of ten percent...you will pay out more than I will and seemingly significantly so... :/: but that is what's fair...in my opinion...
This is not accurate.
In our system, if you make 5.00 per year you pay 3%, but if you make 100 then you pay 12%. Check the tax code.
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Oh, and by the way Cajun, hurry up and buy land now. That area is about to boom. 5 years ago I had a chance to buy 50 acres for 75k in West Point, TX, just west of La Grange, well that same land is going for 4-5000/acre today. Better jump on it while you can. I am actually moving my wife and kid back there next month when my lease is over.
Shyt, I may have to look a lil further north in Temple then because land is much cheaper out there and the land- because of all of those areas binding together, due to Ft. Hood being there- is gaining value faster than most. May make a great deal of money out that way for the grand kids...that's a helluva ROI had you invested in it. that suks...I'll start looking into it though...thanks
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Then he did something wrong. Did it have a house on it? And how much cattle were being kept on it? I know in La Grange, you can pay as little as 4-500/yr on a 100 acre ranch if you run enough cattle on it.
I think it's 10 or more for the tax break...maybe 15 :/:
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but what if the United Negro College Fund gave away a scholarship to a "white" kid.....that would be odd don't you think?
Not really, not if a white kid wanted to apply for it and was the most qualified for it? I mean if you think about it, if we did away with a lot of this, a lot of racism, not all of course, would go away. If race didn't matter on a lot of day to day things, it wouldn't be as much of a concern. Just think, my great grandfather was racist. He was a very old fashioned southern white man. I'm not racist, each year and generation is making racism less and less of an issue, but we are still forced to show it every time we fill out an application on topics like these.
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This is not accurate.
In our system, if you make 5.00 per year you pay 3%, but if you make 100 then you pay 12%. Check the tax code.
No I'm saying that what I had suggested would be ideal...not necessarily the way it is. The way it is currently is completely jacked...we need a new system...
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Shyt, I may have to look a lil further north in Temple then because land is much cheaper out there and the land- because of all of those areas binding together, due to Ft. Hood being there- is gaining value faster than most. May make a great deal of money out that way for the grand kids...that's a helluva ROI had you invested in it. that suks...I'll start looking into it though...thanks
Yea it would have been nice. At the same time I had 20 acres in Waller I could have bought for 100k I passed up on, now the land is going for 13-18k/acre. :/: My in-laws live up northwest of temple in the brownwood area. Land up there is reaching the 1500-2k/acre mark. They own 100+ acres up there and it has tripled in value over the last 10 years. Definetely a good area to look in.
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