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Old 11-05-2007, 01:40 PM   #1
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just a thoughtt

so i'm constantly seeing people wrecking their bikes due to lack of training and skill. A lot of the cause is of course no MSF. regardless the reason of not taking it i'm thinking maybe setting up a free non-sanctioned event just like a riding clinic to try to educate some of these people. bring your own bike, have trained instructors, etc. nothing formal just a few hours to help out. maybe it'll encourage a few to come out and learn something

any thoughts or ideas?

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Old 11-05-2007, 01:57 PM   #2
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Why that'd be down right neighborly of ya partner!
Maybe I can talk my nephew into joining.
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:00 PM   #3
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good idea, ONLY if it is taught right.
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:03 PM   #4
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I think most of them feel they don't need it until AFTER they crash. hehe
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depending on a day and time....i'm willing to help out with something like this.

but i am in NO WAY a safe rider....just experienced. i see too many people aggressively riding out there, and really have no clue on how to properly ride their bike. i'm not talking about body position and stuff.....i'm talking about properly negotiating a turn, i almost ran someone over leaving the bike show because he came into a turn and started running wide into my lane and i was on the ONCOMING traffic side
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Old 11-05-2007, 06:03 PM   #6
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I think most of them feel they don't need it until AFTER they crash. hehe

I've never had it, and I crashed twice saturday

of course it was on a motocross track on a KX250F
if your not crashing your not riding haha
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Old 11-05-2007, 09:22 PM   #7
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That's cool.

We can make it a whole event and focus on inviting people you know who may need some instruction to come ride with you. If you make it a 'dude, u need help' event they may find something else that just came up before you head out but a refresher course I'm all in for too!
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I'm all for something like this, BUT, liability.

I would talk to some of the MSF instructor guys on here to get a good feel for liability issues.
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i think this is a great idea. i know a guy who just wont take the msf. dunno if its the cost or what, but he definitely needs proper training.
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:08 PM   #10
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I'm all for something like this, BUT, liability.

I would talk to some of the MSF instructor guys on here to get a good feel for liability issues.
+1, I agree that it's a great idea, but as a business owner, check your exposure first.
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Dude i never had msf and Im hitting the track up next month, I wouldnt mind coming to it. If I can help in any way let me know
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Old 11-05-2007, 11:08 PM   #12
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IS IT GOING TO BE LIKE ADVANCED LEVEL? MSF TEACHES YOU THE ESSENTIALS AND IM SURE EVERYBODY IN HERE ALREADY KNOWS THAT.
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Old 11-06-2007, 12:25 AM   #13
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I'm all for something like this, BUT, liability.

I would talk to some of the MSF instructor guys on here to get a good feel for liability issues.
Personally, I don't think any MSF Instructor would even consider going near this due to the liability.

I don't even teach personal friends/girlfriends on my own. Tell them to take the course. Even made my daughter take it.

Not trying to put a damper on this, but in this day and time, the liability is just too great.

EXAMPLE: If you take a friend out and teach him how to ride; 2 years down the road, he gets in an accident; he could actually sue you for trying to teach something that you weren't "qualified" to teach, regardless of what you think your credentials are. While no lawsuit is guaranteed, I think he'd actually have a pretty compelling case considering that we do have state regulated courses in Texas.

Add to that if you take ANY kind of compensation at all for the training, you're actually breaking state law.

We get by all of this because we follow a VERY strict curriculum so that our insurance will cover us. Even private lessons have standards that must be followed. If we step outside of those limitations, we lose our insurance protection and open ourselves up to lawsuits.

Again, I'm not trying to be a downer on this. In theory, I think it actually sounds like a great idea, just doesn't work very well realistically.

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if a person feels the need to even try this they might as well just take msf
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I've never had it, and I crashed twice saturday

of course it was on a motocross track on a KX250F
if your not crashing your not riding haha


I rest my case.
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