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Old 11-05-2007, 11:09 PM   #21
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i finf it funny that the guys who love bridgestone and push bridgestone have such a nascarish view toward letting bridgestone get help from the rules.

so when are we going to go with a standard fairing design since ducati has such a speed advantage. I mean the smaller teams have good tech too. but let's level the playing field for them.
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For the record, I'd feel that way regardless of the brand.

Anytime the rules "favor" money spent over innovative technology, racers and fans will be getting the short shrift.

In the end, Bridgestones involvement and success in Moto GP pays dividends for everyone.
Michelin will have to step up their game instead of relying on Saturday night specials, and Bridgestone developed some good tires.
In the end, we as consumers will benefit.,
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i finf it funny that the guys who love bridgestone and push bridgestone have such a nascarish view toward letting bridgestone get help from the rules.
I find it funny that now that Bridgestone has beaten the mighty Michelin, they are whining, as are thier supporters. Rules did not give Bridgestone the advantage, Bridgestone reconized the fact that designing a tire with a larger performance envelope was the key. Michelin just tried to do business as normal, you have to adjust to your enviorment. Adapt & overcome.

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so when are we going to go with a standard fairing design since ducati has such a speed advantage. I mean the smaller teams have good tech too. but let's level the playing field for them.
FYI the speed difference is now gone. The top speeds are about the same now.

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Old 11-06-2007, 07:43 AM   #24
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I find it funny that now that Bridgestone has beaten the mighty Michelin, they are whining, as are thier supporters. Rules did not give Bridgestone the advantage, Bridgestone reconized the fact that designing a tire with a larger performance envelope was the key. Michelin just tried to do business as normal, you have to adjust to your enviorment. Adapt & overcome.



FYI the speed difference is now gone. The top speeds are about the same now.

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I will say i have no brand loyalty to anything. so i'm far fro ma michelin spporter.


I'm glad you said that. that's a great quote now why couldn't bridgestone do that. I would much rather beat someone without getting the rules changed for me than to get the rles changed for me then call my self a winner.

Kind of like if you won a championship in basketball because you ran zone defence every play. league rules change the next year saying you can't run zone defence. Now the other team wins. can you really say you're more dominaant.


NOPE.

sorry for the spelling but i'm too lazy to go back and check it. :(
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For the record, I'd feel that way regardless of the brand.

Anytime the rules "favor" money spent over innovative technology, racers and fans will be getting the short shrift.

In the end, Bridgestones involvement and success in Moto GP pays dividends for everyone.
Michelin will have to step up their game instead of relying on Saturday night specials, and Bridgestone developed some good tires.
In the end, we as consumers will benefit.,
guess we can say that about motogp as a whole. when yoiu're talking 2 million dollar a motorcycle series it's hardly time to start cutting cost for smaller companies. this is a series where manufact. are supposed to cut loose and let it all hang out. so why is one manuf being held back. that's the way michelin was doing it it's not cheating. if bridgestone wants me too I'll fly a single engine cessna every round to deliver tires to them at whatever gp the ngiht before in exchange for race tires so i can finally make a cmra race.
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it's about who has the best tire on RACE DAY not how it got there. if michelin wanted to they should be able to set up tire factoryacross the street of every circuit raced if they want to. cause bridgestone should have the same right too so does dunlop maxxis contintental and cheng shin.
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obliviously motogp wanted a more level playing field for bridgestone...

i think they overshot their goal though...

next year i hope they bump up the sets of tires to 50 or something like that... it was painful this year watching so many michelin riders start off great and then start fading back by lap 15...
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I will say i have no brand loyalty to anything. so i'm far fro ma michelin spporter.

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bring back the saturday night specials so michelin can dominate again.

I don't know, that sounds like some strong brand support to me.



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Kind of like if you won a championship in basketball because you ran zone defence every play. league rules change the next year saying you can't run zone defence. Now the other team wins. can you really say you're more dominaant.

It's not quite the same thing. The rule change basically took away Michelins 'do-overs' or mulligans.


They should have applied the tire rule evenly this whole season. For example, the 31 tire limit did not apply to Dunlop and would only kick in if/when Dunlop won 2 races. That should have applied to all 3 manufacturers at the beginning.

That could have opened up the championship. Would casey have started off with a win if Michelin flew in some tires overnight? Probably, that Duc was FAST! But after 2 wins, they would have the 31 tire rule applied and still allow Michelin to use SNS tires until they could catch up.

Then again, if Michelin started off winning, Bridestone would still be limited to what tires they shipped before the race, which means still guessing without direct track feedback. :/:
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next year i hope they bump up the sets of tires to 50 or something like that... it was painful this year watching so many michelin riders start off great and then start fading back by lap 15...

They've bumped it up from 31 to 40 for next season.
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Even though I like the underdogs winning, I'm still for a spec-tire rule.

If I was Honda/Yamaha/Suzuki/Kawasaki/Ducati, I would have been lobbying HARD for a spec tire rule, and I mean HARD!!

How much money did Honda and Yamaha spend on developing their bikes? On top of that, how much money is Yamaha paying Rossi? Combined Umpteen millions? 20 million? +?

Anybody? Anybody?





Guess what, it doesn't matter because in the end, the weakest link was out of their control.

Much many man hours of R&D did Yamaha put into developing a pneumatic valve system mid season? Doesn't matter when the tires fade mid race. (well, and their system blew up anyway, but you get the point)

The last thing I'd stand for is for my multi-million dollar investment to be rendered useless by a vendor product.
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They've bumped it up from 31 to 40 for next season.


and while i can't blame rossi for the move... i hope it doesn't come back to bite him in the ... :/:
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I don't know, that sounds like some strong brand support to me.






It's not quite the same thing. The rule change basically took away Michelins 'do-overs' or mulligans.


They should have applied the tire rule evenly this whole season. For example, the 31 tire limit did not apply to Dunlop and would only kick in if/when Dunlop won 2 races. That should have applied to all 3 manufacturers at the beginning.

That could have opened up the championship. Would casey have started off with a win if Michelin flew in some tires overnight? Probably, that Duc was FAST! But after 2 wins, they would have the 31 tire rule applied and still allow Michelin to use SNS tires until they could catch up.

Then again, if Michelin started off winning, Bridestone would still be limited to what tires they shipped before the race, which means still guessing without direct track feedback. :/:
not brandloyalty more than being a realist. I root for any team i figure has been wronged by the powers that be.
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