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Old 11-03-2007, 01:38 AM   #1
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Life takes me to some funny places at times. At what point did we leave off?
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Little did I know in less than a week after posting that, my life would be forever changed.

I have moved 4 times, lost my family, kids, friends, all that I own save for a dog named hound and my Bible.

is real, so is the Devil, and you best be careful before tempting either one. I was so sure of myself and my faith I boasted and bragged that I had placed my own protective 'christian' hedge around me since I was able to quote scripture.

Like I said, I lost everything. I was taught that it is by faith alone that we are saved, and not by works. The more I give my life over to , truly doing so this time, the more I learn how important it is to truly honestly have a relationship with , and not just the ability to spout information. I never knew him like I know him now.

gave us life, and he gave us free will. What he wants from us is to have a relationship with us, he wants us to praise him as a creature should praise his creator.

In essence, he gave us life, that we might give it back to him in service. In return he guides us, and will use us to do things in our lives that we never could have accomplished alone, giving us peace in knowing that the one who made it all is protecting us, it gives us accomplishment in knowing that we have led a life well lived and it gives us a sense of security. There is nothing worse than being alone, for the first time in my life I've had to know that feeling, and until I gave everything over to him I couldn't tell you how many nights I sat alone crying with my dog wondering how I could ever have gotten where I was.

I'm still there, the dog is still quiet about how pathetic her owner was, but now lives with me, and in me too, and I have peace. Life is getting better and I have a purpose to live once again.

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Dont be, i give thanks for it every day.

It's through your sufferings in life that you truly learn the most. Trust me, I have gained a life time of knowledge this year that I never would have had otherwise.

Each time something bad happened I had two choices, I could learn from it, or let it win and give up. I chose, each time, to learn.

I went through a phase for a bit where I could make no right choice, everything I did was wrong and messed up some kind of way, finally while trying to fix a vacuum cleaner one night, I got to a point to where I realized the problem was unfixable (bad vacuum motor) and seriously, I was so depressed and felt so sorry for myself I started crying (this coming from the guy who had not cried since his step-dad had died some ten years previous, I'm really not the crying type). What made me cry even worse though, was realizing that even if I did fix it, it still wouldn't matter, my life was just getting worse and worse.

Honestly, it was not until that point that my spirit had been so utterly completely totally crushed broken and shattered, that I finally just, let go of life and turned it all over to . at that moment an invitation came over the radio to speak to a religious councelor (I dont believe in coincidence btw) so I called, and talked to these people for nearly 3 hours.

I made a decision at that pointt htat I would give myself over to Him, and I did, it was not an over night thing, in fact, i still am working on it now, but, it was like the instant I made that decision, the pain went away. I let him make lifes choices for me now and I can see how he works to make things right all of a sudden. I let him have control and it gave me more control over my life.

It's more than I could ever explain in one post b ut I can say this, there is no sadness over what happened except that it did not happen sooner, and praise be to for the sufferings I've gone through to get to know him.
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Hey Ramius..... Any new stories that involve fake women? , that was soooooooo freaking funny. I still thinkabout it. HA HA HA
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I do have more stories! Well, they are in my head anyways, I need to start putting them down again. That fake woman one will be hard to top though!

Back on topic though, religion is always a tough topic, and seriously, the situation is going to be the same whether you are positive or negative about it. I simply made the choice that I would learn from what happened instead of dwelling on where I was at. I am moving forward with my life, by living for , and placing him at the head of everything I do. I let him take care of the rest.

If I am to be married, he will take care of that, if I am to be single, he will take care of that too.

It was explained to me a few days ago by someone like this. When your in your car, going down the highway, with everyone else, and traffic starts to get heavy you can do one of two things. You can turn the radio on.. and tune into the traffic watch channel with the helicopter up above everything looking down for guidance, or you can leave the radio off and try to handle things for yourself in the crowd.

The guy in the chopper really knows what path you need to take, because he's up above everything looking down, he see's where your at, he see's the problem down the road and he see's the path to get around all of that, and if you will listen to him, he will tell you how to get there, and if you had listened to him soon enough, you never would have had to slow down in the first place. (ooh how come we always wait till we are broke to let fix us?)

Relationship wise we are all able to do the same thing, look at yourself walking down the street, surrounded by all the other single people walking around, everyones trying to get out of the mess but it's hard to see whats going on because your lost in the crowd. What you need is divine guidance, what you need is to turn the radio on, and listen to Gods voice looking down from above and let him guide you out of the traffic jam.

I know what I want, But, I dont know how to make the right choice. So, I wake up, and I do Gods work (the best I can) and I know that when the time is right, he, knowing that I am in tuned with him, will send to me whomever it is that I need. Whats good about that blessing, is when he sends it, you know it's what you need and you dont have to worry about "is this the right one".

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By the way, the story of myself is really nothing compared to some of the things written in the Bible. It can be a bit chunky to read some times but seriously, it's full of hardships. Most of the people in the Bible have been beaten, disgraced, abandonded and some even killed for their Faith.

One of the themes in the Bible is this, Always stay faithful to , anyone can give praise during the good times but picture people like Paul and Silas who after being beaten with rods on their backs till they were split open, publicly humiliated, falsely accused and starved, were put into a cold, dark (no windows) wet rat infested dungeon in stocks.

If you wish, refer to Acts chapter 16 to follow along.

Now keep in mind roman stocks are different than english ones you may see, roman stocks extended the limbs out to their furthest extremeties before binding your head, feet and legs. Combined with the pain from their open wounds on their back they were probably feeling physical affliction like what you and I have never felt. Yet, about midnight, they could be heard singing praises to . The other prisoners could hear them, the guards could hear them.

In fact, about midnight, moved that dungeon, he shook the whole building, he broke all the chains, opened all the stocks, released open all the doors and freed all the prisoners. When the guard heard this, he drew out his sword and was about to kill himself for guards in those days were bound to their job with their life. He would rather kill himself than face public humiliation and execution for losing the prisoners.

However, before he could strike himself, paul cried out in the darkness. "Do not harm yourself, for we are all here!" Imagine how those words sounded to that guard. who, had reached a point where things were so bad in his life, that the only way out for him was to take his life, and then he heard a voice in the darkness "Stop... I'm here".

It was at that point the guard grabbed a light, ran up to paul and asked "How do I become saved by your ?" My question is this, how would he have ever known to ask that question, how would he have ever known about Jesus, if he had not heard Paul singing hymms in the darkness?

has a way of taking something bad, and doing something very good with it. Thats why you should always rejoice in his name no matter what is going on in your life, because you do not know who is watching and how much your testimony can help them.

Oh by the way, you all know why they were cast into jail? They had exorcised a demon out of a slave-girl who (the demon) had the ability to predict the lotto so to speak. These people would use her to make them money, and when Paul cast the demon out, well, they lost their money. They falsely accused Paul and Silas in court because making money was more important to them than the life of that girl.

How many of you have been in a spot when there was seemingly no way out, as it were with that prison guard, how many of you have wanted to hear a voice cry out "I'm here"? There is someone to whom you may turn, and that is Jesus. He forsakes none who turn to him no matter what they have done, or how bad they have messed up. All you have to do is to receive him. If you have been hurt, he is there for you when no one else will be.

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The same reason you love your parents even though they spanked you as a child. Because you know it was out of love to teach you right from wrong, and not out of spite or malice.

is not some holy vending machine, there to spew out our requests. He is our spiritual father, there to teach us, and to guide us. Some times, we need to get our spanked.
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Forgot to add, that is why we are to worship him in our sufferings, because we are supposed to have the foresight to know that we are being taught a lesson, and not merely being persecuted.
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here is a nice story for you to explain a little. Not sure on the accuracy of it being Einstein that said it, but at least you can get the point. doesn't make us suffer. Sometimes we do it to ourselves, and he doesn't step in to make EVERYTHING ok.


A science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the students, "Let me explain the problem science has with religion."


The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"

"Yes sir," the student says.

"So you believe in ?"

"Absolutely."

"Is good?"

"Sure! 's good."

"Is all-powerful? Can do anything?"

"Yes."

"Are you good or evil?"

"The Bible says I'm evil."

The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"

"Yes sir, I would."

"So you're good...!"

"I wouldn't say that."

"But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But doesn't."

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"

The student remains silent.

"No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax..

"Let's start again, young fella. Is good?"

"Er...yes," the student says.

"Is Satan good?"

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No."

"Then where does Satan come from?"

The student falters. "From "

"That's right. made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"

"Yes, sir."

"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And did make everything, correct?"

"Yes.."

"So who created evil ?" The professor continued, "If created everything, then created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then is evil."

Again, the student has no answer. "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"

The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."

"So who created them?"

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "Who created them?" There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor, I do."< BR>
The old man stops pacing.. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"

"No sir. I've never seen Him."

"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"

"No, sir, I have not."

"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or for that matter?"

"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

"Yet you still believe in him?"

"Yes."

"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?"

"Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith."

"Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with . There is no evidence, only faith.."

The student stands quietly for a mo ment, before asking a question of His own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"

"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

"And is there such a thing as cold?"

"Yes, son, there's cold too."

"No sir, there isn't."

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees."

"Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absenc e of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat.. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

"What about d arkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?"

"Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?"

"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word."

"In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?"

"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed? Can you explain how?"

"You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good and a bad . You are viewing the concept of as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought."

"It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it."

"Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students tha t they evolved from a monkey?"

"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."

"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

"Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is a n on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

"To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean."

The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter.

"Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir."

"So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.

Finally, after what se ems an eternity, the old man answers. "I guess you'll have to take them on faith."

"Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"

Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."

To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of . It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of . did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have 's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

The professor sat down.


That young man's name - Albert Einstein.


His statements are true, and if you support these statements send this on. Your conscience will feel great if youdo.
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lol@ albert einstein writing THAT. sorry, but that's what we call uncredited(for a reason)chain mail dribble. that should be libel for misquoting him like that..good thing the good xian who put this together didn't take responsibility for it...but he probably just wanted to remain anonymous so all of the glory goes to .
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On 17 July I953 a woman who was a licensed Baptist pastor sent Einstein in Princeton a warmly appreciative evangelical letter. Quoting several passages from the scriptures, she asked him whether he had considered the relationship of his immortal soul to its Creator, and asked whether he felt assurance of ever lasting life with after death. It is not known whether a reply was sent, but the letter is in the Einstein Archives, and on it, in Einstein's hand writing, is the following sentence, written in English:

I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it.

From p. 40

In Berlin in February 1921 Einstein received from a woman in Vienna a letter imploring him to tell her if he had formed an opinion as to whether the soul exists and with it personal, individual development after death. There were other questions of a similar sort. On 5 February 1921 Einstein answered at some length. Here in part is what he said:

The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion.

Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seems to me to be empty and devoid of meaning.

On 22 March 1954 a self-made man sent Einstein in Princeton a long handwritten letter-four closely packed pages in English. The correspondent despaired that there were so few people like Einstein who had the courage to speak out, and he wondered if it would not be best to return the world to the animals. Saying "I presume you would like to know who I am," he went on to tell in detail how he had come from Italy to the United States at the age of nine, arriving in bitter cold weather, as a result of which his sisters died while he barely survived; how after six months of schooling he went to work at age ten; how at age seventeen he went to Evening School; and so on, so that now he had a regular job as an experimental machinist, had a spare-time business of his own, and had some patents to his credit. He declared himself an atheist. He said that real education came from reading books. He cited an article about Einstein's religious beliefs and expressed doubts as to the article's accuracy. He was irreverent about various aspects of formal religion, speaking about the millions of people who prayed to in many languages, and remarking that must have an enormous clerical staff to keep track of all their sins. And he ended with a long discussion of the social and political systems of Italy and the United States that it would take too long to describe here. He also enclosed a check for Einstein to give to charity.

On 24 March 1954 Einstein answered in English as follows:

I get hundreds and hundreds of letters but seldom one so interesting as yours. I believe that your opinions about our society are quite reasonable.

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

I have no possibility to bring the money you sent me to the appropriate receiver. I return it therefore in recognition of your good heart and intention. Your letter shows me also that wisdom is not a product of schooling but of the lifelong attempt to acquire it.
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