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Old 10-30-2007, 10:09 AM   #1
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Church...

This came up in another thread about church, preaching about the goodnews of the gospel, and .
Like I said in that thread I personally feel churches are fake. Yes i believe in . Grew up going to church, teaching sunday school, the whole 9 yrds. A event happened in my life that made me rethink what I believed in. Like I said before, I believe in , but do not support the whole going to church and what not!!
I am curious to see what everyone elses views are....
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This can become a very big debate, please make sure it stays a debate and not putting anyones beliefs down.
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Why is this in the political forum?
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I know I am not a but who wants to be perfect? I sure as dont!
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Why is this in the political forum?
why not? Religion is part of every political debate
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i think organized religion is a crock of $hit and churches are for cult members. any other questions?
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i think organized religion is a crock of $hit and churches are for cult members. any other questions?
could not have said it better myself
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I know I am not a but who wants to be perfect? I sure as dont!

That's my point. Why bother to continue to believe in . You/people seem to have your own ideas what is right and wrong and follow their own path, but seem to continue to believe in a 'just in case'.

Let it go.

(not necessarily directed at you 50cc) Just sayin'
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why not? Religion is part of every political debate

It shouldn't be.
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That's my point. Why bother to continue to believe in . You/people seem to have your own ideas what is right and wrong and follow their own path, but seem to continue to believe in a 'just in case'.

Let it go.

(not necessarily directed at you 50cc) Just sayin'
I understand what you are saying, and dont worry I wont take any of this personal i made this thread knowing if can get ugly at times .

Do I sin, will I continue sinning? YES! However, will always forgive. DO I believe in the power of prayer, yes/no! DO i understand the bible completly? no, not even preachers do.

So Arturo I am curious to hear what you mean by, we believe in Gos 'just in case'....just in case of what?
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i don't believe in the whole church thing either.....however i like spiritual words from the bible that are layed out in a way we can understand.

i like small group prayers like the former chaplain of the CMRA had for all the riders before we started our race day. or listening to someone translate the word of so we can understand it better, or find our own meaning of it..... being in an actual church makes me feel i'm only there to keep their lights on, and their minister's lexus/mercedes maintained.
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I understand what you are saying, and dont worry I wont take any of this personal i made this thread knowing if can get ugly at times .

Do I sin, will I continue sinning? YES! However, will always forgive. DO I believe in the power of prayer, yes/no! DO i understand the bible completly? no, not even preachers do.

So Arturo I am curious to hear what you mean by, we believe in Gos 'just in case'....just in case of what?

Just in case their particular is real.

A lot of people I know don't go to church, have their own way of living and much like you still believe in . At least say they do, but in reality their actions say otherwise.

In my opinion, they are atheists, but just haven't realized it yet.
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ok i wasn't going to post here, but i do have an opinion so here it goes. I do believe in I do believe in the after life, I do believe in heaven and i do believe in angels. That being said I also believe that everyone has the right to believe whatever they want, but don't have to be a part of a church to find their own salvation. I think if you talk to "your " whomever he may be to you that your prayers will be answered. It may not always be the answer you are hoping for but all things happen for a reason. I also believe that we are living in right now and earn our right to go to heaven. These are my views for what they are worth to others.
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i don't believe in the whole church thing either.....however i like spiritual words from the bible that are layed out in a way we can understand.

i like small group prayers like the former chaplain of the CMRA had for all the riders before we started our race day. or listening to someone translate the word of so we can understand it better, or find our own meaning of it..... being in an actual church makes me feel i'm only there to keep their lights on, and their minister's lexus/mercedes maintained.
Thats my big complaint with organized religion.
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i don't believe in the whole church thing either.....however i like spiritual words from the bible that are layed out in a way we can understand.

i like small group prayers like the former chaplain of the CMRA had for all the riders before we started our race day. or listening to someone translate the word of so we can understand it better, or find our own meaning of it..... being in an actual church makes me feel i'm only there to keep their lights on, and their minister's lexus/mercedes maintained.
small prayers are always up lifting and make me feel good.

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Just in case their particular is real.

A lot of people I know don't go to church, have their own way of living and much like you still believe in . At least say they do, but in reality their actions say otherwise.

In my opinion, they are atheists, but just haven't realized it yet.
how do you figure they are atheists? I was almost a perfect child growing up, until about 17. I had been through what I thought was and back, and could not understand why was punishing me. I was very active in my church, and prayed all the time. Yet kept feeding me a life challenge just when I thought I was over the previous downward spiral. This is when i stopped believing. Another life crisis occured and I found myself praying and believing again. to this day I still pray(talk to ) almost everyday. So tell me how that makes someone like me who understands that i will sin, but believe in that I'm atheists?
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ok i wasn't going to post here, but i do have an opinion so here it goes. I do believe in I do believe in the after life, I do believe in heaven and i do believe in angels. That being said I also believe that everyone has the right to believe whatever they want, but don't have to be a part of a church to find their own salvation. I think if you talk to "your " whomever he may be to you that your prayers will be answered. It may not always be the answer you are hoping for but all things happen for a reason. I also believe that we are living in right now and earn our right to go to heaven. These are my views for what they are worth to others.
that is an interesting way of looking at it... i too believe in , i have seen prayers answered, and have had some prayers answered. some may say coincidence but i don't. i have seen how faith has helped people through hard times. for those reasons i choose to believe. it's not a just in case kind of thing. I remeber being baptized and the chills that i felt... when the spirit touches you, you'll know it's real. but about the topic and going to church, it teaches you more about what is in the bible and what a particular group believes, i prefer to say i'm non-denominational but i do believe. i'll read the bible and interpret it word for word exactly like it says, with no "code" words or "signs of a different meaning". church just surrounds you with others that believe the same thing... just like there is more power in numbers
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I tried to get back into the church scene a while back and went to a bible study that Joel Olstein's sister lead, along with him. That's when I finally said I had enough, it was all fake.
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