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Old 10-24-2007, 01:45 AM   #1
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2008 MotoGp Tire Decision

With the ruling out for 2008. What do you guys feel about the tire decision? Do you guys think they should have made the move to one tire manufacture.

It not hard for me to decide. Eventhough Motogp is supposed to be prototype machines they are still regulated to many boundries. Yet, this sport has to bring it best to the table and compete with what the teams can put together.

If they used the same tire, to me they might as well all be on the same bikes and it should all come down to the rider mostly. That would take everything oout of what Motogp is right? What sucks is the riders are so talented and many of them would have the chance to win races if on the right equipment.

Where would Stoner be if he was riding Collins Yamaha this year on Michs?
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Where would Stoner be if he was riding Collins Yamaha this year on Michs?

In the gravel traps, just like last year.


I go back and forth on the tire issue. I can see benefits to either decision. I personally don't care one way or the other, but the current rule needs to be modified in some way.

Mono Tire Rule
- Showcase the true technology of the sport (engines, chassis, electronics) What good is spending a bazillion dollars for R&D if your tire manufacture can't keep up? WASTED!

- Showcases rider/teams ability to choose a setting/tire for the race.


Multi Tire Rule
- Competition drives innovation.. MotoGP is about technology, tires included
- Showcases who the better tire manufacture is
- Showcases rider/teams ability to choose a setting/tire for the race grouped by tire manufacturer




Now that I have written my thoughts down, I'd like to see the Mono Tire rule in place!

Bring it on!! At the end of the day, a successful series needs to be entertaining. The actual racing programs shown on TV, or live are not long enough to go in depth about the technology being used. So you can't use the argument that the technology is the spectacle itself. There has to be good racing.

The tire rule did wonders for WSBK, I think it would be great for MotoGP too.
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I would also like to have a minimum rider/bike weight requirement.
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I would also like to have a minimum rider/bike weight requirement.
Yeah like you have to be at least 150 pounds or be on a 250
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I'm opposed to the one tire manufacturing rule. This is the prototype bike racing league which should include tires. Let's say junk the current tire rule and go back to the old one. If they say current tire rule is to cut cost, then just go ahead disbanding MotoGP and join WSBK.
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Old 10-24-2007, 09:38 AM   #6
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I like the advancements we are seeing by the tire guys competing against each other. Since Bridgestone has come into MotoGP they have provided a nice race tire for the rest of us as well. Before Bridgestone was in MotoGP most people would not even think about using their race tires.
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Old 10-24-2007, 09:54 AM   #7
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i think they never should have put any restrictions on tires at all being it's motogp. if they never would have done that michelin never would have lost the top spot. michelin used to have their sat night special tires that would own on race day.
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If one manufacturer doesn't keep up with the other, eventually all the teams will switch to the winning brand anyway..... So by default you will have one brand dominating (in numbers) rule or no rule like Michelen used to...
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I don't understand the one tire / Mfg. idea.
What's the purpose
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Keep the rule the way it is, but force any mfg. participating to make their tires available to all teams. Ohh, and no more saturday night specials. Everybody pick from the same batch and lock em up before race day.
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Keep the rule the way it is, but force any mfg. participating to make their tires available to all teams. Ohh, and no more saturday night specials. Everybody pick from the same batch and lock em up before race day.
why not it's a tire competition?? why would you not allow saturday night specials. I'm sure there are saturnight specials on parts all the time why not tires?? bottom line why restrict motogp world superbike i can see not a prototype series.
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i know why they did it, MONEY! greed owns everything! if you want to sit here and try to cover this up saying it puts everyone on the same playing field and all this and that. Thats BS, because if it was a level playing field everyone would race the same bike, and it would come down to JUST the rider, then riders would be droping weight like crazy to get the edge... so their truly is no level playing field there is always going to be an edge going to someone.

I think that this new rule will limit everyone, but by no means will level things out. I think that it will just be more one thing riders have to deal with in order to race.
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why not it's a tire competition?? why would you not allow saturday night specials. I'm sure there are saturnight specials on parts all the time why not tires?? bottom line why restrict motogp world superbike i can see not a prototype series.


From what I understand, that is the reason the tire rule was implemented to begin with. To allow other manufacturers who don't have the means to fly tires in over night (bridgestone) to have a more level playing field.

The current tire rule doesn't even apply to Dunlop. Teams using Dunlop can bring as many different kinds of tires each weekend as they want.

If Dunlop scores 2 consecutive podium finishes, THEN the tire rule will apply.

The current tire rule seems to be a compromise. It allows competition between brands, but limits the number of tires types allowed per team.

So if it's really all about tire tech, then de-restrict everything and allow Michelin to fly in tires overnight. That will put most teams back on Michelins and essentially create a one brand series again.



Again, as a manufacturer, I'd hate to see all my R&D dollars wasted because my tire vendor can't keep up.
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i know why they did it, MONEY! greed owns everything! if you want to sit here and try to cover this up saying it puts everyone on the same playing field and all this and that.

I don't think so.

From the reports that I have read, there are several teams that want(ed) to switch to Bridgestone for '08 but were declined. Bridgestone says they can't supply that many. It's not the first time they have said this.. They have turned down some teams last year as well.
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From what I understand, that is the reason the tire rule was implemented to begin with. To allow other manufacturers who don't have the means to fly tires in over night (bridgestone) to have a more level playing field.

The current tire rule doesn't even apply to Dunlop. Teams using Dunlop can bring as many different kinds of tires each weekend as they want.

If Dunlop scores 2 consecutive podium finishes, THEN the tire rule will apply.

The current tire rule seems to be a compromise. It allows competition between brands, but limits the number of tires types allowed per team.

So if it's really all about tire tech, then de-restrict everything and allow Michelin to fly in tires overnight. That will put most teams back on Michelins and essentially create a one brand series again.



Again, as a manufacturer, I'd hate to see all my R&D dollars wasted because my tire vendor can't keep up.
seems to me that bridgestone couldn't keep up since they had not the means to fly in tires. Like i said this is motogp the best of the best and if you can't be the best so sorry and good day. cause as yo ucan see this season there wasn't comp between the brands. bridgeston dominated because of a rule that helps them keep up.

bring back the satruday night specials if the pee on brands can't keep up then oh well this is motogp darn it.
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i think tire rules are retarded! let the teams use whatever tire the want and as many as they want. if a certin manufacture doesnt want to or cant fly tires in the night befor then they must not want to win very bad
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seems to me that bridgestone couldn't keep up since they had not the means to fly in tires. Like i said this is motogp the best of the best and if you can't be the best so sorry and good day. cause as yo ucan see this season there wasn't comp between the brands. bridgeston dominated because of a rule that helps them keep up.
Bridgestone has no problem keeping up with Formula One and flying in the tires everywhere. F1 has the one-tire manufacturer rule as well and it is Bridgestone there.
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Bridgestone has no problem keeping up with Formula One and flying in the tires everywhere. F1 has the one-tire manufacturer rule as well and it is Bridgestone there.

The tires are flown in before the race weekend. What we are talking about is Michelin flying in a 2nd container of tires on Friday or Saturday night after their other tires didn't work so well. Or even if they did, they can fly in some that they think will work even better.

That is what Bridgestone can't do, and apparently that's were Michelins domination came from.
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why not it's a tire competition?? why would you not allow saturday night specials. I'm sure there are saturnight specials on parts all the time why not tires?? bottom line why restrict motogp world superbike i can see not a prototype series.

That's my thinking.

The best of the best of the best. If one tire company can provide a special tire, why can't the others? If they can't, too bad, I guess they aren't the best then.

This year Ducati started off with a speed advantage. I am pretty sure the response for the other teams to step up, not limit Ducati from fully using their resources.
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That's my thinking.

The best of the best of the best. If one tire company can provide a special tire, why can't the others? If they can't, too bad, I guess they aren't the best then.

But is Michelin actually providing the best? They were essentially getting a 2nd chance to get it right. This year, they only get one chance, and Bridgestone is dominating.

So who has the better tire technology? I'd say currently it's Bridgestone. Their tires seem to work better at more tracks.

Michelin could get it right with a 2nd chance, but is that better tire technology? It seems like the optimum operating environment is too narrow. A few degrees change and they have to fly in a whole new container of tires? I can't see that tech trickling down to the club racers.
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