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Old 10-20-2007, 10:31 AM   #1
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Oil change question

my buddy has an 07 cbr600rr with 500~ miles. We want to ride tommorow but he doesnt know if it will mess his bike up if he rides w/o getting his first oil change first. We tried to get it in yesterday and today but the place was too busy. He lives in angleton
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Old 10-20-2007, 10:56 AM   #2
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i get the first oil change in at around 30 - 60 miles.. just tell him to change it himself.. then go ride.
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Old 10-20-2007, 10:58 AM   #3
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Don't worry about it - go ride. Change it as soon as possible after the ride.
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Old 10-20-2007, 11:02 AM   #4
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yes what radar said. it doesn't have to be exactly at 600 miles when you get the first oil change. nor do any of the future oil changes. as long as you get it roughly around then, then you should be good.
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Old 10-20-2007, 11:11 AM   #5
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a ride will be fine. I am free today if he wants I can help him do it if he does not know how and really wants it done. He can run by Freedom and pick up the stuff.
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Old 10-20-2007, 11:24 AM   #6
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he's got a dude on the way to help him out...appreciate it though!!!
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i get the first oil change in at around 30 - 60 miles.. just tell him to change it himself.. then go ride.
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Why would you get your first oil change between 30-60 miles?
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i get the first oil change in at around 30 - 60 miles.. just tell him to change it himself.. then go ride.
man that must get pricey, i ride that far to get to work....
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Why would you get your first oil change between 30-60 miles?
Because unless the motor was built in a sealed vacuum, you'll have lint from shop rags, dust, assembly lube and various other contaminants in the oil. Plus microscopic metal from the rings, pistons, bearings, clutch and who knows what else, that came off during the initial scuffing and mating of all the brand new parts...
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man that must get pricey, i ride that far to get to work....

that's just the initial change....
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Because unless the motor was built in a sealed vacuum, you'll have lint from shop rags, dust, assembly lube and various other contaminants in the oil. Plus microscopic metal from the rings, pistons, bearings, clutch and who knows what else, that came off during the initial scuffing and mating of all the brand new parts...
Filter picks up the big stuff, some "stuff in the oil is not necessarily all bad - break in requires a lapping process /bearings/gears/rings/cylinder walls/etc. I NEVER perform the initial oil/filter change before the manufacturer's recomendation, and have had zero oil related failures on any engine I have ever owned, and there have been a bunch (I'm old) - same for our company fleet. Initial break in takes a lot longer than 30 - 60 miles. Ask any engine builder if he wants his engine at the track 30 miles after rebuild.
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Ask any engine builder if he wants his engine at the track 30 miles after rebuild.
Depends how it's built, and how long it is supposed to last. I know of many drag racers that hit the track at zero miles... different application tho

Provided the cylinder hone is done correctly, and proper bearing clearances and runout are used, most of todays roller cam engines are broken in as much as they'll need within 50-100 miles.

Actually, with moly rings and a proper hone, most seat the rings almost immediately during the first heat cycle.

And so far as the filter catching all the , sure... right up until they clog and open the filter bypass, allowing it all to circulate back around.
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1) Depends how it's built, and how long it is supposed to last. I know of many drag racers that hit the track at zero miles... different application tho

2) Provided the cylinder hone is done correctly, and proper bearing clearances and runout are used, most of todays roller cam engines are broken in as much as they'll need within 50-100 miles.

3) Actually, with moly rings and a proper hone, most seat the rings almost immediately during the first heat cycle.

4) And so far as the filter catching all the , sure... right up until they clog and open the filter bypass, allowing it all to circulate back around.



1) Sure and after five minutes of operating time they rebuild the thing whether it needs it or not.

2) Where did you get the idea that motorcycle engines use roller cams? Most cars don't even use them.

3) I have never heard that... if it is true it still doesn't address the cam/crank bearings, transmission gears or the primary/cam drive chains.

4) It takes a lot of to completely clog a filter so bad it bypasses. Remember he is talking about a new bike with 600 miles. Not something that has been neglected for a really long time.

The folks that made this post were looking for some direction and saying this stuff you heard somewhere could lead them astray. Although if they followed you ideas at least they would be overly conservative, which is better than not.

I say go ride and change the oil as soon as you can. 700 or 800 miles won't hurt it.
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1) Sure and after five minutes of operating time they rebuild the thing whether it needs it or not.

2) Where did you get the idea that motorcycle engines use roller cams? Most cars don't even use them.

3) I have never heard that... if it is true it still doesn't address the cam/crank bearings, transmission gears or the primary/cam drive chains.

4) It takes a lot of to completely clog a filter so bad it bypasses. Remember he is talking about a new bike with 600 miles. Not something that has been neglected for a really long time.

The folks that made this post were looking for some direction and saying this stuff you heard somewhere could lead them astray.

I say go ride and change the oil as soon as you can. 700 or 800 miles won't hurt it.
First off, SEEN, not heard..

Roller cams are used in most, if not all new cars. Roller referring to the type of lifter, not the cam bearings. Most of your break in wear is accrued from cam to lifters, and rings to cylinder walls. There should be no metal to metal contact, anywhere else, since everything should be floating on the oil film. There are some other minor friction/wear points, but we don't really need to get into that here... dry film coatings go a long way to curing those and are good money spent. Metal to metal contact on gears, bearings, chains will lead to quick wear.

I have seen filters go into bypass in under 100 miles, granted on cars not bikes. I have also seen two spin-on filters over pressure and blow completely off the motor.

Knowing what I know from actually building and rebuilding engines, transmissions and rear ends, I will always err on the "safe" side with initial oil changes, even when I know what was done because I did it.

I've also seen the inside of enough engines to form strong opinions on oil brands and filters, based on deposits and cutting open used oil filters. Not pretty.
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IS NOT NEED TO CHANGE IT AT 30 - 60 MILES THATS SO STUPED
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IS NOT NEED TO CHANGE IT AT 30 - 60 MILES THATS SO STUPED
What are you trying to say about being stupid?
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IS NOT NEED TO CHANGE IT AT 30 - 60 MILES THATS SO STUPED
everyone has their own opinions about whats best for their engines.. and i have mine.. when i do the first oil change I KNOW whats in there and I KNOW it's done right.. nuff said
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