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HONDA FTW!!! 33 53.23%
Suzuki 9 14.52%
Yamaha 13 20.97%
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:15 AM   #1
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:19 AM   #2
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:34 AM   #3
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I've always ridden Honda racebikes so I am definately biased. They all have their finer points and it really depends on exactly what you are after. If I were to do it all again I would have ridden the shiat out of a KX 100 before bumping to the CR 125 then to the 250. I have never ridden anything besides two-strokes(as far as race bikes go) so I can't give you any first-hand experience on the four-strokes. From word-of-mouth I have heard the KFX's are awesome, but do not sell as many so that may make it more difficult to find a decent priced used model. All 450's are going to have bountiful aftermarket parts available. Here's a quick excerpt I found on another site, hope it helps


The Kawasaki gets my nod for best bike in this shootout. It has a great motor that pulls hard from down low and continues to rev. The chassis is incredibly stable on a motocross track. It never wants to swap, kick, or bounce out of a line. The forks worked perfectly. They absorbed any hard landings well and felt really supple and plush on small chop. The bike does have a bigger feel to it when you first get on the track, but you donít notice it after a few turns. The reason you donít notice it is because it is so nimble. The KXF can carve an inside line with the best of them, and it jumps comfortably.

In a very close second I have the Yamaha. The YZF does everything good. It has an incredibly smooth motor that makes more power than any bike besides the Honda. The chassis is the most comfortable and maneuverable of the group and the handling is stable and precise. The spring rates are too stiff for me (target weight for a 450 is around 180 lbs.), but even over-sprung the bike tracks straight through bumps. Brakes and controls are comfortable on the Yamaha. The only complaint I had was that I couldnít get to the clutch adjuster while I was riding.

The Honda finishes an even closer third. Honda has everyone beat in the motor department. The CRF power plant seems more powerful and broader than any of the others. The handing is very quick and precise on the Honda. It is the quickest-moving bike of the bunch, which can be good or bad, depending on what you like. I like how I can change lines coming into a turn at the last minute and it will dart to any line I choose. However, the front end can feel nervous at times and slightly unstable when braking into a sweeping turn.
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Old 10-16-2007, 01:10 AM   #4
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Old 10-16-2007, 01:17 AM   #5
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Old 10-16-2007, 07:11 AM   #6
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Yep, Honda or Kawi.
Suzuki doesn't make a great dirtbike...
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Old 10-16-2007, 09:02 AM   #7
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Old 10-16-2007, 09:50 AM   #8
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I would have to say Honda. Every dirt bike I've rode has been a Honda, so I trust them. I've also wrecked them before (tryin to stunt an xr200) and it had minor damage and still ran fine.
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Yeah, you go get that Honda. Especially if your into working on your bike. I would love for you to speak with my friend Joe and the problems he had with his valves that cost him over $2500 in repairs. If you have money falling out of your pockets - get the Honda.

If you want a bike that does everything well and requires the least difficult maintenance - get the Yamaha.

I love my Suzuki.
Someone said they don't make a good dirt racebike?? LOFL. Tell that to Ricky Carmichael. Have you owned one recently?? Ridden one even? The Suzuki has been rated to having one of the best suspension and cornering set-ups out there.
You can ride mine if you want to test one out. Of course now they're FI though. Mines an '06 w/ '07 heads, exhaust and a Factory connection suspension front and rear.

The KTM is the quickest. Has more mods from the factory too. They are a little higher priced but come with the best of the parts available from any manufacturer.

Kawasaki has been tearing up the tracks all over the US recently too.

Don't listen to street riders about dirt bikes. Talk to some dirt guys:

www.houstonmotocross.com

Good luck and have fun. If you want a test ride - let me know. My Suzuki kicks much .
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Old 10-16-2007, 09:55 PM   #10
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I can't speak for dirt bikes.....never have had one. But.....I love my Yamaha, it's the only one that I really wouldn't sell.
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450 is a bigger class. But if you were looking for something in the 250 class that didn't require a lot of maintenance, I'd suggest a Zero. (http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/)

I rode it for about half an hour back in August in a Motard configuration. It's an acceleration junkie's dream. Check out the resume of the guy who designed it. He's pretty impressive and I was impressed with the bike. It's not pretty but very functional and very quick! I'm seriously planning to buy one myself cause I think it's the wave of the future. The second generation is currently in design so it will only get better.
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KTM seems to be the most popular of the big motards in our area. Lots of folks there love 'em.

+1 on Ted's comments on the Honda. Heads are a problem as the valves "suck up" in to the valve seats over time. My machinist has a bunch of trashed 450 Honda heads from his dirt bike customers. He keeps parts for their repair in stock for his customers, and he says the "smart ones" come in regularly to have them preventively repaired.

I'd seriously consider the KTM first, 'Zook second, Yami and Kawi. I would not even look at the Honda- reason being that if the durty riders have those kinds of problems with the on-off throttle racing they do, I'd bet that the prolonged WOT racing on road courses would kill the valves/ heads even faster. Not the kind of hassle I'd want to deal with IMHO.
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which ktm model?

and parts cost are more expensive correct? as in whenever i crash the sucker....how well do they crash also?
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which ktm model?

and parts cost are more expensive correct? as in whenever i crash the sucker....how well do they crash also?
I have a small fleet of Yamahas & my chosen bike is a KTM, I have found that parts are generally cheaper for my ktm than the Yammis. Purchase price of the KTM will be higher but the list of included goodies (Magura, Brembo, Excel, Renthal... Etc) Makes 'em well worth the extra $$.

450SMR........http://www.ktmusa.com/450-SMR.39.20.html

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1) KTM
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3)Suzuki
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These are all awesome, BUT dont rule out something else, My friend just baught a Cannondale used off craigslist for like $2000 and its AWESOME 440 fuel injected and FULL Ohlins suspension front and rear, it is very state of art, the schisnit, check them out if possible, the suspension itself is worth $2000
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These are all awesome, BUT dont rule out something else, My friend just baught a Cannondale used off craigslist for like $2000 and its AWESOME 440 fuel injected and FULL Ohlins suspension front and rear, it is very state of art, the schisnit, check them out if possible, the suspension itself is worth $2000
I heard they were good bikes, but did'nt they quit making them? I know I read something like that, somewhere.
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what about the husaberg???? those are sweet!

you won't go wrong with any of the big brands, don't let the jokers that have allegience to one bike company steer you in the wrong direction.

if you aren't dead set on the 450s i know someone selling a 426 for a really great price.
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Old 10-17-2007, 06:33 PM   #20
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plus, seeing how you converted the 100, i don't think it matters what brand the bike is, since when you are done with it, it will be one sick conglomeration of aftermarket parts.
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