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Old 10-15-2007, 03:47 PM   #81
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Accidents happen. No one can plan for them. That's why their called accedents. Can't let that rule your life though.

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Yes, but the fear shouldn't keep people from doing waht they love.
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Yes, but the fear shouldn't keep people from doing waht they love.
No one's arguing that... There are some that have decided, or are considering taking a break because their not as comfortable as they once were. Can't blame them, or belittle them for that...

I just...combat the attitude/belief of the factor/level of things 'outside' the riders control and/or influence.


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true, but it takes a much bigger mental toll when you goto a funeral of a friend of yours then some random rider.
I agree which is also why i agree that it's good to know what happened to. U seem to learn the lesson when it's a close friend cause ur can associate the cause and effect a heck of a lot better..in my experience!
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If you're having second thoughts of any kind or are scared, stay off the bike and sell it!!! You will only get yourself hurt if you're not 110%.

I should let you know (if you haven't noticed already) a lot of folks go through that feeling. Maybe you should give it a few weeks. If you still have doubts after 2 weeks, sell it.
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I think it's more of respect that keeps us in check. Respect for the machine and what it can do. Fear will straight up get you hurt.
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I'm a new member here and just did my first group ride last Sat. out to MSRH, on PoPo's ride. As some of you know I've been riding for over 40 years,and yes I have seen people die. First time back in 1977 with 10 guys mostly on KZ900's or KZ1000's. The point is, it is of the utmost importance to know who you are riding with!! I was scared $hitless meeting a bunch of new people for a group ride on Saturday, for the most part everything was fine, a few that were there I probably won't ride with again, but on the other hand a few that I would probably love to do some really spirited riding with in the future. It's been my experience that if someone pays the ultimate price while riding it's usually taken one of two ways, first they were riding like squids with a bunch of other squids and yes while tragic for the family, there is a certain sense of it was coming sooner or later anyway. On the other hand, it was a pure d accident that can happen a hundred miles from nowhere and dying while doing something you really love aint a bad way to go. Just my opinion and not trying to dis on anyone.
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I think it's more of respect that keeps us in check. Respect for the machine and what it can do. Fear will straight up get you hurt.
+1 .

when i first got my bike i rode my bike like a squid. i even wrecked it going into a wall with target fixation after a car cut me off in middle of a curve at 85mph. That was the biggest wake call of my life and i started to ride smart (being alert as and watching my speed). after that incident i still went to wednesday pp1 nights, ASI, the forrest run,brook shire, and Crabb river.

Then what happen to roger, i stopped riding with groups, and stop going to hot spots (forest, racers road, and crabb river).

i still ride, but i perfer to ride by myself or someone i know. AKA a303, Knee dragger, dr pickels, or Trdvet, i use to ride with them all the time. Thats probably the only people i will ever ride with again, unless i truly know them.
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+1 I usually ride with the same 3-4 guys that I have logged 1000's of miles with, let me tell you that there is nothing more fun than finding a deserted stretch of twisties and training 3-4 or 5 guys with of simmilar abilities at stupid but safe speeds (which is relevant) and just enjoying the day, yes we've had a few get off's over the years nobody is immune, but to this day no one has been killed or permamatly maimed. When something has happened, whoever had the misfortune has always said they made a mistake! Maybe pushing a little to hard or a lapse in concentration is all it takes. Riding around town in traffic is the worst, especially at night.
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when i first got my bike i rode my bike like a squid. i even wrecked it going into a wall with target fixation after a car cut me off in middle of a curve at 85mph. That was the biggest wake call of my life and i started to ride smart (being alert as and watching my speed). after that incident i still went to wednesday pp1 nights, ASI, the forrest run,brook shire, and Crabb river.

Then what happen to roger, i stopped riding with groups, and stop going to hot spots (forest, racers road, and crabb river).

i still ride, but i perfer to ride by myself or someone i know. AKA a303, Knee dragger, dr pickels, or Trdvet, i use to ride with them all the time. Thats probably the only people i will ever ride with again, unless i truly know them.
Gotta say I agree with this post completely...+a billion

I had been considering going out the the country again with Jimmy and crew but the reason I hadn't gone before and had an apprehension with goin was due to what happened directly in front of me with Roger. Every since then I've had a fear of doing the country rides. My fear didn't originate from a fear of what I may may do out on the country ride, though I was just as irresponsible that day for the speeds at which we were riding, but rather what the person in the next lane would do. My reasoning/justification for this mindset was due to the fact it would seem that Jordan did everything he could to avoid being hit but fell short and by a mere foot (his bike was at rest a foot away from the grass). This has stuck with me.

The other fear stems from stories I've heard and known accidents where someone would ride with a group of guys who have wreck less riding habits- habits one would not be able to readily identify unless you were either told or had the opportunity to observe first hand- and by the end of the night, someone will have gone down either in part or directly due to the above stated individual's riding or lack of ability. Case in point, a friend of mine in Oklahoma was injured when he met a few local guys off of a major international forum, while out on a ride, a guy in the next lane was not capable of holding his line and consequently jumped lanes ending with him taking my friend out Pedrosa style...luckily said friend only suffered broken bones and a rashed up bike. This type of thing, however, is an all too common occurance and one of the leading reasons I don't like riding with a bunch of folks that I've either not ridden with in the past or at least seen for myself ride.

Occasionally, I'll trust a friends judgement on certain folks but it depends on the friend. A few weeks ago, we were on a group ride with a few folks on a road in the south side of town and while accelerating through a turn, some genius on a black double R did EXACTLY what I listed above that happened to the friend of mine...luckily for me, I expected it to happen and was able to avoid him. You're not always that lucky and so after that event in particular, I exercise even more scrutiny when making a judgment as to who I am going to ride with. In the end, discipline and respect for your machine, other bikes, other riders, other drivers and the invariability of road conditions are what will dictate each and every riders personal experiences. Be safe and ride smart! Also, choose carefully whom it is you decide to ride with. My prayers and warmest regards go out to all the fallen riders and the families and friends of said fallen riders.
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I know how ya feel in regards to thinking about giving up riding. I've thought about it a time or two as well, but have decided that I'm not giving up a sport that is my main form of therapy. I'm a single mother of two boys yet I'm still out there riding. I always have my kids in my mind when I get onto the bike. I don't push my limits (which some have said is a bad thing) but rather ride the way I enjoy riding and am usually very careful about who I ride with. I had been planning for my 14 year old to take the MSF after his coming up birthday and start riding with me but after hearing about Matt, I rushed in and told my oldest that I've changed my mind and he won't be riding next year or any year as long as he's under my roof. He looked stunned and hurt. He didn't understand where this came from until I told him about Matts accident and that if anything ever happened to him while on a bike it would kill me. After talking with my family and some friends about this, they reminded me of why I was willing to let him start riding with me at 15 (on a 250 of course). I've always thought that it would be better for him to start out young and learn to ride with responsible riders that way he'll learn to respect the bike, the road, and the risks involved. I'm still very unsure on what I'm going to do about this. I don't want him turning 18 and running out to buy an R1 or GSXR 1000 and learning bad habits from the wrong people.
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I know how ya feel in regards to thinking about giving up riding. I've thought about it a time or two as well, but have decided that I'm not giving up a sport that is my main form of therapy. I'm a single mother of two boys yet I'm still out there riding. I always have my kids in my mind when I get onto the bike. I don't push my limits (which some have said is a bad thing) but rather ride the way I enjoy riding and am usually very careful about who I ride with. I had been planning for my 14 year old to take the MSF after his coming up birthday and start riding with me but after hearing about Matt, I rushed in and told my oldest that I've changed my mind and he won't be riding next year or any year as long as he's under my roof. He looked stunned and hurt. He didn't understand where this came from until I told him about Matts accident and that if anything ever happened to him while on a bike it would kill me. After talking with my family and some friends about this, they reminded me of why I was willing to let him start riding with me at 15 (on a 250 of course). I've always thought that it would be better for him to start out young and learn to ride with responsible riders that way he'll learn to respect the bike, the road, and the risks involved. I'm still very unsure on what I'm going to do about this. I don't want him turning 18 and running out to buy an R1 or GSXR 1000 and learning bad habits from the wrong people.
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I know how ya feel in regards to thinking about giving up riding. I've thought about it a time or two as well, but have decided that I'm not giving up a sport that is my main form of therapy. I'm a single mother of two boys yet I'm still out there riding. I always have my kids in my mind when I get onto the bike. I don't push my limits (which some have said is a bad thing) but rather ride the way I enjoy riding and am usually very careful about who I ride with. I had been planning for my 14 year old to take the MSF after his coming up birthday and start riding with me but after hearing about Matt, I rushed in and told my oldest that I've changed my mind and he won't be riding next year or any year as long as he's under my roof. He looked stunned and hurt. He didn't understand where this came from until I told him about Matts accident and that if anything ever happened to him while on a bike it would kill me. After talking with my family and some friends about this, they reminded me of why I was willing to let him start riding with me at 15 (on a 250 of course). I've always thought that it would be better for him to start out young and learn to ride with responsible riders that way he'll learn to respect the bike, the road, and the risks involved. I'm still very unsure on what I'm going to do about this. I don't want him turning 18 and running out to buy an R1 or GSXR 1000 and learning bad habits from the wrong people.
I live with my parents as I am still in highschool, if he wants to ride, come up with a very strict set of guidelines (i.e. no riding at night, no riding in the rain, he has to call or text you before he leaves and when he arrives, make him wear full gear obviously, but keep very strick rules and make sure he learns from the good riders, show him the wall of shame...cause honestly, those guys riding around with a tshirt on and no helmet look pretty cool when you arent a rider yourself, when he sees how stupid they look and how people laugh and bash on squids, may help him change his mind...forgive my rambling but i just thougth I would throw MHO out there...
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hmmm why is that?

i really have been thinking about getting rid of it but just don't know if it's just because of the shock or what? some days i don't ride simply because i get a bad feeling every now and then even before stepping outside. i don't know if it's just me or if everyone gets feelings like this? i'm just not sure about keeping it anymore, but that's just me. i just don't know if i am just getting too paranoid

hey man i know what u mean, sometimes even in a weekend, i leave my bike alone, cant be explained but i feel it too

i dont ride much but, i still love it, and will still do it, just be smart and dont push it

enjoy the ride not the speed, lets leave those speeding days behind

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I live with my parents as I am still in highschool, if he wants to ride, come up with a very strict set of guidelines (i.e. no riding at night, no riding in the rain, he has to call or text you before he leaves and when he arrives, make him wear full gear obviously, but keep very strick rules and make sure he learns from the good riders, show him the wall of shame...cause honestly, those guys riding around with a tshirt on and no helmet look pretty cool when you arent a rider yourself, when he sees how stupid they look and how people laugh and bash on squids, may help him change his mind...forgive my rambling but i just thougth I would throw MHO out there...
Thanks for your input...and it's nice to hear a youngsters opinion on this. We had already talked about the rules. He agreed that he would never be allowed to ride on the streets for the first year without me riding near him. There would be no nighttime riding. He wouldn't be allowed to have passengers until after he is 18(I've told him that even then I think it's a bad idea) and that he would never be allowed to have possession of the key until after his 16th birthday. And absolutely no getting on the bike without full gear. He is already very serious about the gear, so much so, that whenever I go to get on the bike he'll watch and make sure that I put mine on. Everytime I hear of an accident he's the first person I go to and we discuss what the actions were that could have caused the accident as well as how the accident could have been avoided. He has dirtbike and fourwheeler experience and I'm also going to be buying him a 50cc for christmas to have something small to play on if he wants to stunt around. Again, thanks for your input and kudos to you for having responsible caring parents.
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Thanks for your input...and it's nice to hear a youngsters opinion on this. We had already talked about the rules. He agreed that he would never be allowed to ride on the streets for the first year without me riding near him. There would be no nighttime riding. He wouldn't be allowed to have passengers until after he is 18(I've told him that even then I think it's a bad idea) and that he would never be allowed to have possession of the key until after his 16th birthday. And absolutely no getting on the bike without full gear. He is already very serious about the gear, so much so, that whenever I go to get on the bike he'll watch and make sure that I put mine on. Everytime I hear of an accident he's the first person I go to and we discuss what the actions were that could have caused the accident as well as how the accident could have been avoided. He has dirtbike and fourwheeler experience and I'm also going to be buying him a 50cc for christmas to have something small to play on if he wants to stunt around. Again, thanks for your input and kudos to you for having responsible caring parents.

With all that being said, you also need to consider some of it is just a lip service, meaning hes only saying the right things so he can get the bike. If you can afford to, you should consider putting a race tail on hist first bike, it will prevent him from being able to put anybody else on the bike with him. I have friends who ask, nay BEG me to let them ride on the back with me, but I use the excuse of my bike being a 1 seater. I honestly think that were it a two seater I could be convinced to take my gf or another friend. I know initially some of the things I told my parents, I really only said them so I could get the bike. When I told my parents I would never ride at night and never in the rain, I said it just to make them happy, but after having riddin for a little while my opinions have changed, I have confidence in my ability to ride, I simply dont have confidence in the people in cars. I know everybody immediately says "MSF FTW!!!11!!!11!!!!!!" and such, but having done it with my dad I would reccomend it for him hands down. You could go and do it again with him so you can see how he does first hand and maybe tell him that by taking the course it is not a promise that he will get a bike, but that he has to score above something on his riding test and written test for you to consent. My parents made that deal with me and that was one of the first tests I actually studied for! The other deal they made was that as long as I maintain above a "B" average I can ride, Incentives like this are very powerful and will really work. You could also remind him that until he is 18 you can have his license revoked at any time you choose. I have no doubt you have thought all of this through I just wanted you to get the perspective of a kid. I wanna see more kids riding, I just dont want to hear about them being wrapped around a light pole.
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I completly agree with that, I love riding TOO much just to give it up, granted the rash of accidents lately has brought some sence of awakening to me but If I were to have an wreck and walk away from it I would hope I would get back on it. That being said I would hate to see you get rid of your bike Rene, and would hope that you put some seious thought into this before you make a harsh call and sell it...

the way i see it is, is a wake up call to redefine our perspectives of this dangerous sport

is a sense of maturiness (sp) we know is dangerous so we respect everything around us,

we look at our bikes in a diferent way now, so now is our time to change the way we ride experienced or not

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