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Old 10-15-2007, 12:07 PM   #61
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This REALLY is a tough call for me. I've always wanted a bike..now that I have one...I just don't know if it's worth the risk. I enjoy my biike..but i enjoy seeing my family more. My wife doesn't work so if something happens to me...what happens to them?
Same here...!!! but no other Family here in Houston, is just me and her. I really love riding and I consider it a "life style". I have been trying to put together a sealed envelope for "in case of the worst" with all the insurance and instructions about what to do with all the paperwork. What really bothers me is all the grief that will bring to my parents, they are too old but my wife has instructions about what to tell them.
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:08 PM   #62
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stop being a and ride. barring you physicaly not being able to ride then you never were REALLY rider if something outside of your control stops you from riding.
i think you are out of line
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:17 PM   #63
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i think you are out of line
Just because we don't agree doesn't make his opinion invalid. It is his to express. (although I agree it could have been worded better to convey the message without insulting others)

We all feel differently when things happen. Sharing our views on here, even unpopular opinions, is a way of working through the grief.
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:18 PM   #64
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I am surprised that y'all so biased against what Racerx's post. Watch this video and ask yourself is it worth it? It's really an eye opener for me.
RACER X's message is usually a good one. I'm sure he knows better than a lot of us the dangers that lurk for motorcyclists and the tragedies that can befall them if they're unprepared or unbelieving

It's just the way that he goes about trying to deliver those messages that irk people. Tact goes a long way.

I spent Friday night in jail on a wreckless driving charge (96 mph in a 65 on the interstate in the middle of nowhere -- on two wheels) and even before reading the news today had considered turning the Busa into a drag bike and buying something else that was road course specific.

I try not to ride stupid, but I do ride fast and I know that one day it will catch up with me. The idea of track only is appealing, but I just don't know how I'd deal with not riding on the street anymore.

Maybe the answer is to track-only for awhile and get the "adrenaline-desire" out of the way so that I can safely go back to street riding after awhile.

I'm not at all afraid of dying, but feel that that would be unfair to the people around me.

I can't give up motorcycling, but I will have to find a way to temper action with wisdom.
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:19 PM   #65
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I didnt say he couldnt express his opinion but i just think it is out of line to call someone a and say they never were a rider just because they may want to sell there bike it was just my 2 cents
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:19 PM   #66
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This REALLY is a tough call for me. I've always wanted a bike..now that I have one...I just don't know if it's worth the risk. I enjoy my biike..but i enjoy seeing my family more. My wife doesn't work so if something happens to me...what happens to them?
Doesn't look that tough from what I am reading.
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I didnt say he couldnt express his opinion but i just think it is out of line to call someone a and say they never were a rider just because they may want to sell there bike it was just my 2 cents
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:30 PM   #68
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Thank you for making this thread. After hearing about the latest accidents, I too questioned my having a bike. I am married with 2 kids, my wife does not work. I thought that these past few accidents and people talking about motorcycle accidents in public right in front of me were signs from above. It got to the point where I had decided to get rid of the bike.

The next day I woke up went out and stood next to the bike. I starred long and hard at the bike and came to realize that I simply couldn't do it! Riding is a hobby for me more than anything. I began to remember what was taught in MSF. If you can remove one risk from the chain you can prevent an accident. (something to that affect). Go back and read your MSF handbook or get one from someone else. Read it every few months just to refresh your memory.

After reading some posts some of you have made here I am in much higher spirits than I have been in the last few days. Thank you everyone for contributing to this thread.
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I didnt say he couldnt express his opinion but i just think it is out of line to call someone a and say they never were a rider just because they may want to sell there bike it was just my 2 cents

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Old 10-15-2007, 12:34 PM   #70
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many many of these accidents are avoidable. you have to start riding and thinking w/ the big head vs the little head.

stupid/bad decision making is the cause of most of these wrecks.

and Brandon has a point an accident is a series of events that leads to an accident, change 1 decision and the outcome will be diff.

you can ride the streets and be safe, most of it is in your head and the decisions you make.
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:44 PM   #71
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many many of these accidents are avoidable. you have to start riding and thinking w/ the big head vs the little head.

stupid/bad decision making is the cause of most of these wrecks.

and Brandon has a point an accident is a series of events that leads to an accident, change 1 decision and the outcome will be diff.

you can ride the streets and be safe, most of it is in your head and the decisions you make.
well put.... that is what i tell my gf. it's how you ride that REALLY contributes to the risk involved... less speed = less chance of a severe accident. more common sense and using the "what if" question while riding = less chance of a severe accident. i just tell her what i feel, that i'm not riding anywhere close to my limits on the street, and i am very cautious and ask myself "what if" while cars are around.
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Old 10-15-2007, 12:45 PM   #72
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many many of these accidents are avoidable. you have to start riding and thinking w/ the big head vs the little head.

stupid/bad decision making is the cause of most of these wrecks.

and Brandon has a point an accident is a series of events that leads to an accident, change 1 decision and the outcome will be diff.

you can ride the streets and be safe, most of it is in your head and the decisions you make.
Exactly. Not knowing the exact circumstances of this last wreck I will leave that one alone, but ALL the recent wrecks/deaths have been due to either wrong place, wrong time or riding way over the conditions/traffic. By wrong place/time, I mean like riding around the streets of Houston after midnight with all the drunks....

I have seen a couple deaths on bikes and many accidents, as well as had my share of get-offs. EVERY ONE was preventable, without exception.

I find myself slowing down from what I thought was acceptable in the past, but am a long way off from selling the bike. You have to find your personal limits and pace and inner spot of comfort, or you don't belong on the bike.
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This thread is giving me much to think about...

I just know riding helps me to cope with everyday stress. Before riding, I just drank alot. My wife is actually happy that I started riding again
I guess I just gotta keep respecting my bike and be responsible whenever possible.
And, I'll keep at my riding buddies about MSF whether they like it or not. I don't wanna see any of them go down, nor do I want to go down with them.
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FWIW, the track is not always safer.

Granted it's a more controlled environment, but because you're typically pushing the edge of the envelope, you're more likely to find it.

That being said, you could just as easily pass in a car accident or falling down a flight of stairs.
Wear you gear, ride smart and you'll be o.k.
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many many of these accidents are avoidable. you have to start riding and thinking w/ the big head vs the little head.

stupid/bad decision making is the cause of most of these wrecks.

and Brandon has a point an accident is a series of events that leads to an accident, change 1 decision and the outcome will be diff.

you can ride the streets and be safe, most of it is in your head and the decisions you make.

Very well stated and from an MSF Instructor.
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well put.... that is what i tell my gf. it's how you ride that REALLY contributes to the risk involved... less speed = less chance of a severe accident. more common sense and using the "what if" question while riding = less chance of a severe accident. i just tell her what i feel, that i'm not riding anywhere close to my limits on the street, and i am very cautious and ask myself "what if" while cars are around.
+1...How you ride can definitely decrease or increase your chances of being involved in a wreck. However, we all know that sometimes it doesn't matter; other people sometimes make mistakes that effect others no matter what.
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+1...How you ride can definitely decrease or increase your chances of being involved in a wreck. However, we all know that sometimes it doesn't matter; other people sometimes make mistakes that effect others no matter what.
IMO, those are very few and far between. most things you have to anticipate and think for those people and keep yourself safe.

thats why i'm a big advocate of no ipods, no riding when in a bad mood. you have to be on the ball. and always looking and being aware. wearing earplugs helps you concentrate on riding.

other things. the group you hang w/ when i ran w/ the JCI crew, i went to alot of funerls, i stopped hanging out, i stopped going to so many

riding at "bad times., at 2am on a fri sat night is just asking for trouble. we made it a point at JCI to either leave at 1 or 3
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IMO, those are very few and far between. most things you have to anticipate and think for those people and keep yourself safe.

thats why i'm a big advocate of no ipods, no riding when in a bad mood. you have to be on the ball. and always looking and being aware. wearing earplugs helps you concentrate on riding.

other things. the group you hang w/ when i ran w/ the JCI crew, i went to alot of funerls, i stopped hanging out, i stopped going to so many

riding at "bad times., at 2am on a fri sat night is just asking for trouble. we made it a point at JCI to either leave at 1 or 3

Just because you stopped going to them doesnt mean they stopped happening.....so that point is kinda void. although i see what your getting at
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true, but it takes a much bigger mental toll when you goto a funeral of a friend of yours then some random rider.
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it is pretty scary out there.
I try to limit my rides to early weekend mornings, or the occational ride to work.
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