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Old 10-10-2007, 09:05 PM   #1
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Etiquette: Fellow Rider's "Space"

So today I went out riding, since it was such a beautiful day to take some time off work (it's good to be the Boss!). I was stopped at a red light on Memorial Drive, by the Park, and some guy in a bling custom chopper pulls up to the right of me, IN MY LANE! I can see him looking at me in the corner of my eye. I turn my head right a little bit because it's bothering me. He nods at me (to be friendly, I guess). I just kinda look at him for a few seconds, but I ackowledge the fact that he just nodded at me... and nod back. I look forward, waiting for the green, but it's a loooong light. I could see him again in the corner of my eye that he's checking out my bike. The guy tells me "Nice bike." I contemplate the fact that he just spoke to me. "Did he just say something?" I turned my head back to him and say "Thanks..... ..... ... U2." I turn my head forward again waiting for the green. Light turns green. I wait for him to take off first. He's expecting me to take off first (since I was there first). I turn to him and say "Go ahead." "Nah, that's cool. You go." I say again, looking him straight into his shades "Go ahead" as I motion my head to the left. He takes off, then I follow.

OK, sorry if I was being an a-hole to whoever you were, but you invaded my space, man. But maybe I'm too old-school? This is one of many recent times this has played out. I remember a long time ago, that there's this "unwritten rule" in motorcycling, that you just do not invade a stranger Rider's "space", especially at a light. It's ok if you know the rider, but if you've never seen him before, then you leave him alone. Same goes for groups. The rule stuck to this day. It's good to wave to riders all day, and I do, but this used to be a big no-no (so says the "rule").

Has this 'rule" gone with the wind?
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:14 PM   #2
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Had a guy on a ZX6r pull up next to me one day at a light. Cut around all kinds of traffic and swerved in (riding tandem) no less. Which is something I even rarely do with the people I normally ride with. So anyway we both pull off from the light and he decides that its ok to cut in front??? I think its rude. Wait ur turn already! I waited in line forever at the light just to have this SQUID no less with shorts & t-shirt (was surprized he had a helmet) just cut in and make himself at home..

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Old 10-10-2007, 09:17 PM   #3
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I figured since your both bikers why not share.....
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:21 PM   #4
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If i do not know them i will not pull up next to them.
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:24 PM   #5
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Share the space at the light, left side (typically first there) pulls out first and then you are two vehicles on the road once again.

Be nice to bikers! If it weren't a chopper and it was, say, a GSXR or even a Ninja 250, would you have been as upset?
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:27 PM   #6
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i dont think it would bother me depending on how he acted. he said nice bike and seemed polite. ive had people pull next and then when the light turns green they accelerate pretty fast as if they are impressing me or something
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:28 PM   #7
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I actually like it when other riders pull up next to me at lights. It would be another thing if they cut me off when we took off. I like the conversation and the chance to meet other riders. I have met several friends at stop lights in similar situations.
The thing is, under any other circumstances, like at a parking lot, at a restaurant, or anywhere off the road, I would love to engage in a social interaction with a fellow rider. This is (or maybe it was) an "Unwritten Rule" that all bikers followed, and therefore it was "understood", and respect was given (as odd as that may sound).
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doesn't bother me unless it's a squid. Normally I don't pull up next to a rider I don't know. Instead I'll just stay back and to the opposite side of the lane he/she is on.
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:32 PM   #9
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Share the space at the light, left side (typically first there) pulls out first and then you are two vehicles on the road once again.

Be nice to bikers! If it weren't a chopper and it was, say, a GSXR or even a Ninja 250, would you have been as upset?
It's not about being upset, actually. Not of the fact that he was being friendly. It's hard to explain other than it's an "Unwritten Rule", and it used to be that this unwritten rule was simply understood between fellow bikers. so no need to be upset if the other rider ignores you, because as a fellow motorcylist yourself, it's "understood". In fact the mere act of not invading the fellow rider's space was the means by which you showed him respect. I know it's funny, but that's just the way it is (or was).

i wanted to be friendly to him, too. But he broke "The Rule".

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Old 10-10-2007, 09:46 PM   #10
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maybe since you were there first, he was being polite by not passing you, since he came from behind. just my 2 cents
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I stop behind em, if they want to wave me up next to em at the light then i will pull up. Dont mind if someone pulls up next to me just dont be a dumb a** when the light changes an do something stupid.
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maybe since you were there first, he was being polite by not passing you, since he came from behind. just my 2 cents
Yeah, i know. But the problem is that I don't know him, his riding habits, what he's gonna do when I start to take off... is he gonna lay down the throttle just to blow me away as I'm taking off. Too many unknowns, and that's why it's an unwritten rule.
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Didn't they teach us to sit at lights in the same lane in the MSF course?
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Didn't they teach us to sit at lights in the same lane in the MSF course?
Yeah, but this is about a "stranger", not a riding buddy that you know and trust. He may be in a bad mood, too!

BTW, I was in a good mood, and he didn't ruin it. I just knew that this was not allowed, so i had to play it out. He was a friendly guy, but I had to let him know (in my subtle way), that what he did was "Not good, buddy. Not good".
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Old 10-10-2007, 10:14 PM   #15
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doesn't bother me unless it's a squid. Normally I don't pull up next to a rider I don't know. Instead I'll just stay back and to the opposite side of the lane he/she is on.
Me to, and some times when I do the rider will look back and signal me to pull up then I will and yeah its cool to chat sometimes then I pin the throttle and go from 0-60 in 2.5 sec...... smoking the tire and I kid I kid..... yeah i respect bikers space unless I am passing them in the HOV lane
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dunno about any unwritten 'rule' at lights... to me it's a tad different when your stopped, vs going down the road.
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dont bother me one way or the other, but when I take off from the light I let them go first being I dont know how they ride..
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Old 10-10-2007, 10:21 PM   #18
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i think you were out of line. there is no "unwritten law" concerning that at all. he was polite, and followed procedure when he waited for you to take off first. you were just being an following some "law" that only you know of.
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I've only been riding a month, so I don't know about the "rule," but from what you say, he seemed friendly and wasn't trying to blow through the light. Seems like a good way to meet other bikers. If you are worried about his riding abilities or quick starts, always let the other rider go first. I'm not fast enough to get off the line before anyone else, and some of the "Hints and Tips" I've read suggest that this is a bad practice anyway.

You should have had your MH sticker on your bike so he could have looked us up. Or maybe you do have your sticker on your bike and he recognized you as a fellow MH'r?

I think cruisers get a raw deal from sport bikes riders - though it doesn't sound like that was really what is bugging you. I'm still pretty timid around sport bikes because they seem like speed machines to me. I love the low slung look and feel of a cruiser, but Guitar Man rides a sport bike and I can appreciate them for their fast lines, cool graphics and areodynamic design. I guess we make an odd pair, but I'm always waving and smiling and even inviting people to talk to me while I'm out.

So, I think it may have been a rule, but being new to riding I've never heard it and now I have to worry about offending someone just for pulling up next to them. Sigh... Can't we all just be friends?
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