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Old 10-01-2007, 07:59 PM   #21
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that's what i'm saying.....we were lookin everywhere for it, and no luck.
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it was a little ahead of where my bike was in the grass. the dr said i have a really bad contussion.
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We shoulda went forward a little bit more but the cmra guys were getting agitated for not cleaning the debris out of the track.
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it was a little ahead of where my bike was in the grass. the dr said i have a really bad contussion.
heal up quick, glad nothin was fractured, broken, or out of place. see you out at TWS (Texas World Speedway) for the next race. i won't be suprised if there were 4 or 5 waves in C superstock/superbike.
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I don't know if anyone here been to Eagle Canyon but it has a similar layout with today's demands.
I have, I can't wait to do a track day up there!
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I love it, I wish improvements could be made, but I know it won't happen. Those miners get closer and closer every time I go up there it seems.

With the cost of doing all the things you mentioned, you could build a whole new track, and nobody has that kind of money around that area, and the family would never sell anyway.

Too bad. One day, we'll be looking back and thinking, "remember Oak Hill"?
The coal company offered to build a NEW track, just up the road on land they are through with, as they are getting ready to come through. The old lady who owns it refused saying her husband built that track and there could be no replacement. Too bad someone couldn't talk some sense into her and plant a giant Oak tree in the middle dedicated to her husband. The coal folks own the mineral rights so it's just a matter of time before they dig it up. Can't say as I'll be sad to see it go. It's a fun track for training and riding, but with today's bikes with 150+HP it's just not safe to race on it anymore. The pavement is in such bad shape the CMRA has been pouring lots on Rhino hide just to keep it together for each event. Been that was for the last four years or so.

Eagle's Canyon lost a good section of thier straight with all the heavey rain this summer. Wonder how long before they get that repaired and ready to host events???
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it was a little ahead of where my bike was in the grass. the dr said i have a really bad contussion.
Contusion will probably get worse before it gets better. I am with Tony, be glad it wasn't anything more serious.

Heal up quick. Glad you didn't get hurt worse. I hope Larry is okay as well.
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The coal company offered to build a NEW track, just up the road on land they are through with, as they are getting ready to come through. The old lady who owns it refused saying her husband built that track and there could be no replacement. Too bad someone couldn't talk some sense into her and plant a giant Oak tree in the middle dedicated to her husband. The coal folks own the mineral rights so it's just a matter of time before they dig it up. Can't say as I'll be sad to see it go. It's a fun track for training and riding, but with today's bikes with 150+HP it's just not safe to race on it anymore. The pavement is in such bad shape the CMRA has been pouring lots on Rhino hide just to keep it together for each event. Been that was for the last four years or so.

Eagle's Canyon lost a good section of thier straight with all the heavey rain this summer. Wonder how long before they get that repaired and ready to host events???
sweet story.....but i smell a BOYCOTT? haha.

unless she's filthy rich.....then nevermind. all i can say is.....property taxes starts adding up quick when you don't have no income.
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tony, you get any pics nefore i wrecked?
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Brandon felt like he had traction issues Sunday.

Ronnie Lunsford, someone I respect immensely, made the comment a few years back that; "I've had more friends life flighted from Oak Hill than all of the other tracks on the CMRA schedule combined."

While I have good memories of the place, I no longer think it is either safe or prudent to continue racing there.
I understand it's a huge income generator for the club, but at some point rider safety has to offset that.

I know multiple experts who feel the same way, and there's been talk of boycotting racing there next year.
We'll see.
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I know multiple experts who feel the same way, and there's been talk of boycotting racing there next year.
We'll see.
Ever since I started (back in '87) people have been "talking". The thing is, they still come back.

I agree with the horsepower thing- the bikes have outgrown that track, at least the liter bikes have, and the middleweights are getting there too.

I'd still use it as a training track, but I won't race anything but a mini there I think.

I don't know about the offer to build a new track, but if that's factual, I would think that she doesn't really care about racing or the track. It's going to be gone anyway, so why wouldn't she want them to build a new track if she cared about racing? Not to mention, there is likely a lot more to the story with strings attached and provisions by the land owners/ coal company.

Eagle's Canyon insists that they'll be ready (I think) they said by October. I haven't checked their website in a while, but that was the last estimate. I noticed Marcus hasn't updated the Liberty web site since April... but I hear they made their financial committment quota to begin construction.

I guess we'll see what unfolds during "silly season"
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Everyone was having grip issues. The track is just old and is loosing what grip it had. I raced on it last year, and I like the track. It is just old, and in need of repair.
All of the tire vendors and suspension people had the complaints, problem is there is only so much that can be done about it. At some point you just have to ride through it.
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Everyone was having grip issues. The track is just old and is loosing what grip it had. I raced on it last year, and I like the track. It is just old, and in need of repair.
All of the tire vendors and suspension people had the complaints, problem is there is only so much that can be done about it. At some point you just have to ride through it.
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holy , jon, you and larry both went down? I'm glad I wasn't there, or I would have probably went all gung ho jumping over fences and . call me, kid, i havent heard from you all week!
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Ever since I started (back in '87) people have been "talking". The thing is, they still come back.

I agree with the horsepower thing- the bikes have outgrown that track, at least the liter bikes have, and the middleweights are getting there too.

I'd still use it as a training track, but I won't race anything but a mini there I think.

I don't know about the offer to build a new track, but if that's factual, I would think that she doesn't really care about racing or the track. It's going to be gone anyway, so why wouldn't she want them to build a new track if she cared about racing? Not to mention, there is likely a lot more to the story with strings attached and provisions by the land owners/ coal company.

Eagle's Canyon insists that they'll be ready (I think) they said by October. I haven't checked their website in a while, but that was the last estimate. I noticed Marcus hasn't updated the Liberty web site since April... but I hear they made their financial committment quota to begin construction.

I guess we'll see what unfolds during "silly season"


True, but in '87 we weren't applying Rhino lining down on the track the week before a race to help keep it from further disintegrating.

I disagree with the training track idea as well. We've had no less than TWO deaths there in the same number of years while people were "practicing".

That track is done, has been for awhile but it's been a revenue generator for the CMRA so they keep it on the schedule.

Ever notice how manufacturer contingency money almost always gets paid for Oak Hill? It's not by coincidence that it falls that way.
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True, but in '87 we weren't applying Rhino lining down on the track the week before a race to help keep it from further disintegrating.

I disagree with the training track idea as well. We've had no less than TWO deaths there in the same number of years while people were "practicing".

That track is done, has been for awhile but it's been a revenue generator for the CMRA so they keep it on the schedule.

Ever notice how manufacturer contingency money almost always gets paid for Oak Hill? It's not by coincidence that it falls that way.
Yeah, I'm not discounting what you've said, I just think there is a way to ride there. True about the rhino lining, but people complained about the pavement then too.

Funny thing is that at my pace, I rarely have trouble with traction, so I guess my information would be more clouded than say Brandon or Danny, or some of the really fast guys that ride there a lot. I guess that is where the opinion about being a "training" track stems from. At the fast guy's pace, it's not the most ideal situation. For mere mortals like me (who's not near ballsy enough to try to ride in the teens there, and happy to be in the low 30's!) it's a good place to learn.

Run-off, yeah, it is what it is and could be much better/ safer. But then again, people whine about not riding at other tracks that are 30 years (or more) newer that have argueably as bad or worse safety issues, that didn't have to be built the way they are too. OHR and TWS (Texas World Speedway) have been that way (and worse) for 30-40 years, and renovation of the deficiencies are out of reach financially. TWS (Texas World Speedway) is infinitely more safe now than it was in the late 80's, with that eff'd up configuration that used to take us straight to the wall (not 8a, the NASCAR oval wall... I saw Polen put my friend Kevin Ward in to that wall years ago, could have killed him. Others did die there.

Just like 8a and the old configuration that took us to the wall out of the horseshoe- "ah, it's a slow corner, airfence and the slow speeds makes it safe..." ...yeah.

I'd love to see some changes made to OHR, I'd love to see the new tracks built safely, I'd love to see Liberty done... there's a lot I would do if I ruled th world. What we do though is ride where we can, race where we can. We about some things, we live with others.

We can only work and try to make things better, otherwise, the sport will shrivel up. If we don't do things to affect change, we can only blame ourselves.

I think "boycotts" are silly and cowardly, unless they are used as a last resort, when all other options have been exhausted. People will do what they do, and I don't condemn anyone for the choices they make, but it's not what I would do personally.
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Yeah, I'm not discounting what you've said, I just think there is a way to ride there. True about the rhino lining, but people complained about the pavement then too.

Funny thing is that at my pace, I rarely have trouble with traction, so I guess my information would be more clouded than say Brandon or Danny, or some of the really fast guys that ride there a lot. I guess that is where the opinion about being a "training" track stems from. At the fast guy's pace, it's not the most ideal situation. For mere mortals like me (who's not near ballsy enough to try to ride in the teens there, and happy to be in the low 30's!) it's a good place to learn.

Run-off, yeah, it is what it is and could be much better/safer. But then again, people whine about not riding at other tracks that are 30 years (or more) newer that have argueably as bad or worse safety issues, that didn't have to be built the way they are too. OHR and TWS (Texas World Speedway) have been that way (and worse) for 30-40 years, and renovation of the deficiencies are out of reach financially. TWS (Texas World Speedway) is infinitely more safe now than it was in the late 80's, with that eff'd up configuration that used to take us straight to the wall (not 8a, the NASCAR oval wall... I saw Polen put my friend Kevin Ward in to that wall years ago, could have killed him. Others did die there.

Just like 8a and the old configuration that took us to the wall out of the horseshoe- "ah, it's a slow corner, airfence and the slow speeds makes it safe..." ...yeah.

I'd love to see some changes made to OHR, I'd love to see the new tracks built safely, I'd love to see Liberty done... there's a lot I would do if I ruled th world. What we do though is ride where we can, race where we can. We about some things, we live with others.

We can only work and try to make things better, otherwise, the sport will shrivel up. If we don't do things to affect change, we can only blame ourselves.

I think "boycotts" are silly and cowardly, unless they are used as a last resort, when all other options have been exhausted. People will do what they do, and I don't condemn anyone for the choices they make, but it's not what I would do personally.
Well, when a racing organization continues to race at a track that is unsafe, especially when it's evident that it is and has been brought to the organizations attention ( as if it wasn't already readily apparent, Rhino lining so the track will "hold together"? ) then a boycott may be the only way to get the point across.
I don't consider it "whining", I consider it realistically looking at a track that is regularly seriously injuring and killing people and speaking my mind about it.

You're welcome to your opinion without me "labeling" you "reckless".

I for one will not have either my bike or my team on that track again.
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