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Old 03-07-2008, 02:01 PM   #141
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If you get hit while riding on the shoulder - it's your fault....

On the other note - Texas Rider Magazine reports that it is not illegal to split lanes in Texas- but it is not provided for either...

Sounds like it would be a LEO's judgment as to if you are riding recklessly or not...
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If you get hit while riding on the shoulder - it's your fault....

On the other note - Texas Rider Magazine reports that it is not illegal to split lanes in Texas- but it is not provided for either...

Sounds like it would be a LEO's judgment as to if you are riding recklessly or not...
in CA it's not "legal" , but it's not illegal, and the LEOs allow it.
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That would be sweet. If it is complete stand still traffic I will ride the shoulder. But I don't go over like 10-15 mph and definitely don't haul down the shoulder.
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in CA it's not "legal" , but it's not illegal, and the LEOs allow it.
If it is not illegal than it is legal.
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nope, it's grey. and up the cops descretion. test it.
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I got pulled over for it the other day, the DPS office lectured me about how "unsafe" it was and eventually let me go with a verbal warning.

here's a comment on TWT talking about the bill that died...

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Doing my part here in DFW. :rider:

On a side note we need to get this brought up again in the 2009 Legislative session and get this bill passed. Never made it out of committee in 2005 and wasn't brought up in 2007. We just need to find a Motorcycle friendly legislator to reintroduce it. Here is the original;

BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT
relating to the operation and movement of motorcycles during
periods of traffic congestion.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

SECTION 1. Section 545.060, Transportation Code, is amended
by amending Subsection (a) and adding Subsection (e) to read as
follows:
(a) An operator on a roadway divided into two or more
clearly marked lanes for traffic:
(1) shall drive as nearly as practical entirely within
a single lane, except as provided by Subsection (e); and
(2) may not move from the lane unless that movement can
be made safely.
(e) The operator of a motorcycle may operate the motorcycle
for a safe distance between lanes of traffic moving in the same
direction during periods of traffic congestion if the operator:
(1) is at least 21 years old;
(2) has successfully completed a motorcycle operator
training and safety course under Chapter 662;
(3) is covered by a health insurance plan providing
the operator with at least $10,000 in medical benefits for injuries
incurred as a result of an accident while operating a motorcycle;
and
(4) operates the motorcycle:
(A) at a speed not more than five miles per hour
over the speed of the other traffic;
(B) in traffic that is moving at a speed of 20
miles per hour or less; and
(C) in a location other than a school crossing
zone or other than a location where the posted speed limit is 20
miles per hour or less.
SECTION 2. This Act takes effect September 1, 2005.
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^ doesn't really talk about filtering to the ft of the line at red lights.

and the provisions to do it as, no helmet.
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well if you're only going 5mph, then you would only be driving 5 mph over the flow of traffic, which would happen to be stopped
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^ doesn't really talk about filtering to the ft of the line at red lights.
it doesn't really need to does it?

it would allow a MC to 'filter' through traffic moving up to 20 mph...provided it is not within a school zone or area where traffic is zoned for 20mph or less.

By its wording this would allow filtering to red lights, or stop and go traffic on the interstate etc within those limitations. (My take on it)
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nope, it's grey. and up the cops descretion. test it.
sure they could cite you for "reckless driving" or something similar. Anything is legal until it is illegal But cops can pretty much say anything they want and ticket you if they want for some BS reason but w/e.
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He let you go without a ticket... ?? Nice cop... i've never had a ticket on my record (one silly one that got removed for driver safety course), but I know they wouldn't let me off!
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I think Cashtown on here had a problem with a cager around the Med Center for splitting lanes.
lol. Yup. I's filtering through stopped traffic and a car hit me on purpose.
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sure why not, it;s as legitimate an excuse as "it's too hot" "my bike is gonna overheat" blah blah blah.


when/if lane splitting becomes a law its not going to allow for riding down the emergancy lane.
i have been reafing this and I AM SICK AND TIRED of the fukkking emergency lane

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Finally got off my and emailed my state senator & representative - thanks for the nudge.
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Finally got off my and emailed my state senator & representative - thanks for the nudge.

maybe you could post up what you wrote form letter style, that way those of us who are really lazy can just fill in our name and send it to our reps.
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My letter to Gary Elkins State Rep on Lane FILTERING

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Mr Gary Elkins,

Thank you for your consideration in reviewing my correspondce. I will keep
in mind your hectic schedule and be as brief as allows.

I would like to bring to your attention an issue that has been
mentioned to Law Enforment committee and continued to sit there since 2005.
I think, perhaps, the significance of this bill to the motorcycling
community has been devalued, or perhaps not appreciated. HB 1522 was
submitted in 2005 for review regarding legalizing “lane splitting”. The
proper term I will use is “lane filtering” or “lane sharing”.

Lane sharing, in essence, is allowing a motorcycle to go between the
lanes of conjested traffic to bypass the stop and go of car traffic. This
is permitted only on the dotted white, inside, lanes (not next to incoming
traffic or the curb). California is currently the only state allowing it,
and it has been greatly beneficial to many motorcylists commuting there,
reducing their commute dramtically., and improving their quality of life.
California Highway Patrol (CHP) was the pioneer of this utilizing the empty
space between cars to travel and perform their duties. They allowed and
encouraged the other motorcyclists on the road to do the same, mainly for
its uses to prevent engine damage (many motorcyle engines are air-cooled,
thus needing movement to preven damage) and commute efficiency and safety.
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Stop and go traffic is one of the most feared types of riding for a
motorcylists, mainly due to the visibility of a motorcyle, and unprotected
by any saftey devices other than their own gear, they can be severly
injured. Being rear ended by a car in stop and go traffic can be anything
from just an normal accident to physically crippling to a motorcylist due
to the lack of protection. Also take into account that a safe and prudent
cyclist wears full gear, ie gloves, vest, boots, pants, and full faced
helmet, the texas weather can be devestatinly hot, to the point of
heatstroke. Many motorcycle engines are air cooled, needing movement to
prevent possible damage.

Lane sharing is common in california, and in many other foreign countries.
The main issue that I believe has held it up from approval is the
misconception of protecting motorcylists from doing something dangerous. As
CHP could testify, for a motorcyle, to keep moving between cars at a safe
(no more than 10 over traffic speed), safer than stop-and-go behind another
vehicle. This is not to be used at higher speeds.

For those with lower incomes a motorcyle provides a financial freedom from
having to maintain and buy a car. The gas milage on a motorcycle can easily
go over 50 miles to the gallon, this type of economical travel should be
encouraged. Basically the state of texas is adding 2+ HOV lanes for
motorcycles by doing this, reducing further vehicle congestion. Right now most people avoid commuting on their motorcycle since their is no tangilble benefit since they face risks by not being allowed to filter

To summarize:
Benefits
Motorcycles that are aircooled are prevented from engine damage during
congestine
Rider health is promoted by not sitting in the fumes of queus of
traffic, rather moving to the front where they are less likely to be
rear ended.
Rider health promoted by movement, air is the only coolant a motorcylist
is provided.
More motorcylists are encouraged to commute due to the benefits or less
problems with traffic congestion, and overheating.
Less gas, and less smog/pollution, per motorcylist is able to get to
location quickly, rather than sit behind a car.

Negatives
People will construe it as “cutting in line”.
Answer: Motorcylists do not have the benefit of protection,
airbags, air climate controled. To keep moving helps their
safety, and reduces the traffic waiting in line, benefiting
everyone. Dealing with road rage also is not much of an issue,
since if someone does get angry, how will they do anything in
front of that many witnesses, and to a motorcyle that is
already moved through traffic beyond them?
Some can construe it as dangerous.
Answer: While the idea initially may seem dangerous, it is far
safer for a motorcyclist to travel with this added benefit
rather than in congestion where their visibility can cuase
people to merge into them or read end them.



I believe many in Houston, garage their motorcycles many times rather than
riding because of the aggresive driving of many large vehicles, and the
stop and go traffic accentuates the heat, and the danger.

Promoting this bill would be a tremendous step towards promoting the
motorcyle as a vialble and beneficial option for commuting. I personally
desire to have this as a alternate to help my commute on FM 1960. My hour
long commute home could easily be reduced by half.



The bills should be modified from requriing health insurance, since it is a
normal traffic procedure, any responsible motorcylist should be able to
take advantage of this oppurtunity, especially the lower income that this
could affect.

Also the requirement of filtering only when at a standstill defeats part of
the purpose, which is stop and go traffic and congestion. Due the nature of
filtering, it would be very hard to enforce 5mph, I believe we should
listen to the normal practice of CHP which is allowing filtering when
traffic is congested, and done safely at not more than 10 mph than the
current traffic.

Allowing this bill would be pioneering safety and benefits to motorcyclists
everywhere. Please consider this.


Check spelling and read through. I sent you guys my rough draft version from my email inbox. Its long, but thoroughly explains the issue to someone not familar with it, and i got a positive result
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thanks for posting that. if you don't mind i'll use that as a starting point for my own letter.
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see the sticky in general dicussion, has more information about how to promote lane splitting.
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