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Old 09-28-2007, 10:48 AM   #61
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Thanks for that. Those you off will just join in the masses that already try to legislate and control bikes.
Perspective anyone? Just cause I don't care what they think doesn't mean I'm everyone off.

I'm not riding wheelies or anything and the bike I ride probably helps too. I ride a KLR650 right now (big ugly green dirt bike) and me hopping the occasional speed bump or curbs is worse than passing a couple cars.
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cars can't ride between cars in traffic bikes can. i bet teh cops would differ. what seperates you riding on the shoulder and an 18 wheeleer w/o A/C riding the shoulder, they both fit.

again the rest of the world lane splits, they DON'T ride the emergancy lane.
Yes, and I'd lane split if the drivers here were used to having bikes go between them in traffic. The rest of the world doesn't feel the need to change lanes 10 times in 2 minutes trying to find the one that's moving faster.

PS, you haven't travelled much if you don't think the rest of the world uses the shoulder.

Abu Dhabi/Dubai - pass while going over speed bump on highway and hope car on right uses shoulder
Central America - You better hope there's a shoulder or the truck full of papayas is going to run you off the road while they're passing someone
Thailand/rest of southeast Asia - EVERY SQUARE INCH OF PAVEMENT IS FAIR GAME.
Europe - I've never been on a road in Europe with a shoulder.

Our interstate traffic jams are much different than just about every other countries traffic.
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third world driving/riding is far diff. then anywhere else in the world.

lets not U (&) ME about me, i;ve been a few places. and the civilized worlds, they don't pass on the emergancy lanes.

traffic is traffic, even easier here, cuz they are in single lines vs all over the place, like you;ve described.

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I didn't say you off "everyone".

If I was sitting in my truck, or on my bike, and saw you go cruising by on the shoulder, I would think "what a , good example for the rest of us riders".

Many times I have been sitting in traffic on my bike, sweating, and thought about it. But somewhere there is a little responsibility left, and I ain't rich enough to toss $500 + down the drain, so I just chill and think of alternate routes. Figure out how much time you actually save, versus the cost of the ticket, possible impounding the bike, time lost going to court, etc.

I have the same thoughts when I see someone wheeling down the highway.
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I'm not assuming, you just keep mentioning "the rest of the world...emergency lanes" and I've never seen an "emergency lane" anywhere else like our interstate shoulders.

So you tell me to make a point, I do, you say you've travelled, restate what you previously said and then take off?

Thanks for not banning me.
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Many times I have been sitting in traffic on my bike, sweating, and thought about it. But somewhere there is a little responsibility left, and I ain't rich enough to toss $500 + down the drain, so I just chill and think of alternate routes. Figure out how much time you actually save, versus the cost of the ticket, possible impounding the bike, time lost going to court, etc.
I do the same thing, and choose a different choice based on my risk/reward analysis.
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actually you quoted what you think you read. i;ve always been told by CA folks it's not explicitly illegal, therefore not legal either.
Lane splitting is permissible if done in a safe and prudent manner.... straight from http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/motors.html

it IS legal there to do so. they would not spell out provisions of lane splitting if it was not legal to do so
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actually you quoted what you think you read. i;ve always been told by CA folks it's not explicitly illegal, therefore not legal either.
There are only two states: legal and illegal. (they are opposites)

Lane splitting is either legal or it is illegal - there is no grey area. In California it is legal. In Texas it is illegal.

The idea that if something is "not explicitly illegal," it is "therefore not legal either," is ignorant of the actualities of law.



I agree that riding on the shoulder is the lame way to do it. Go ahead and split the lanes. Though, I guess, since they're both illegal it really doesn't matter which you do.

, can't believe RACER X is actually advocating something illegal. Sweet.
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Man I think this is great idea! I've been wondering for so long if we'd ever make this happen. I've seen done the LA area and boy it makes you realize that being on a bike is the way to go in congested traffic. You can actually cut your commute in half there by riding a bike.

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just talked a fellow MSF inst. who happens to be an retired CHP

again there is no actual LAW.

"Can motorcycle riders "split" lanes and ride between other vehicles?

Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a safe and prudent manner."

you are sharing a lane which is illegal, but permissable in CA.

if you get into a wreck in CA while lane splitting, the bike will get teh "at fault" becuase they were sharing the lane.

again, find the link to the actual law?
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For it, but even if it was legal, not sure I'd do it. Cagers who aren't riders who don't know riders get off, period. You would have to convince me some major changes in folks attitudes towards bikes had changed so that I wouldn't get sandwiched (on purpose) or have a door opened on me before I'd do it. I am talking it would have to be all over the news "Lane splitting for motor bikes made legal" and all in the public eye.

That all said, all of you about, oh my bikes overheating and I have no AC... NOONE forced you to ride a bike so hush. We choose if we ride and we aren't special, despite what some of you have expressed.
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That all said, all of you about, oh my bikes overheating and I have no AC... NOONE forced you to ride a bike so hush. We choose if we ride and we aren't special, despite what some of you have expressed.
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There are only two states: legal and illegal. (they are opposites)

Lane splitting is either legal or it is illegal - there is no grey area. In California it is legal. In Texas it is illegal.
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are you sure? according to ama,
http://home.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/l...t.asp?state=tx

it states that "Lane Splitting = Not referenced in Administrative Code or Statutes"

doesn't that mean there is no law written specifically for "lane splitting"? if there is no law regarding to the issue, you can not be legal or illegal. so you can not get a ticket for splitting the lane. i guess you can get a ticket for something else if leo sees unsafe driving.

also, look at the state of california

http://home.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/l...t.asp?state=ca

it's not legal there either. it's just accepted.
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are you sure? according to ama,
http://home.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/l...t.asp?state=tx

it states that "Lane Splitting = Not referenced in Administrative Code or Statutes"

doesn't that mean there is no law written specifically for "lane splitting"? if there is no law regarding to the issue, you can not be legal or illegal. so you can not get a ticket for splitting the lane. i guess you can get a ticket for something else if leo sees unsafe driving.

also, look at the state of california

http://home.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/l...t.asp?state=ca

it's not legal there either. it's just accepted.
then why does california reference the rules to abide by or times when you can split lanes?
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If I was sitting in my truck, or on my bike, and saw you go cruising by on the shoulder, I would think "what a , good example for the rest of us riders"....

... I have the same thoughts when I see someone wheeling down the highway.
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"then why does california reference the rules to abide by or times when you can split lanes?"

it's an argument based on semantics...

The heart of it, is that 'lane sharing' is permitted is CA within certain restrictions. You'll find no where, that it is stated that it is 'legal' or 'illegal'.
Quite a bit of interesting commentary etc jsut doing a google on california law lane splitting
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Oh Boy I hope that this works
http://www.twtex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22525

"I have an opportunity to put the idea of legalizing lane splitting before Houston's mayor. I would *think* (hope) he'd be open to the benefits, since he's been big on mobility improvements & green causes. I've been coached that without any hard data on the benefits (ie, studies/reports/etc) the pitch isn't likely to fly far.

So... does anyone know of any studies that show the benefits of allowing lane splitting? Perhaps something done in L.A., or London, etc to prove up benefits such as:

improved traffic flow
reduced street & parking congestion
fuel consumption
reduced right-of-way accidents (cagers turning left (or right, in G.B.))
encouraging more use of two-wheeled transport
reduced pollution (at least for the newer catalyst-equipped bikes)
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