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Old 09-24-2007, 10:55 AM   #61
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The other thing about suspension settings is that they are adjustable for a reason. If you set your bike up exactly like the factory says it is supposed to be, i.e. sag, ride height and damping; you are missing the boat. Even if you match the factory rider weight, there are so many fine options that you can improve on it is mind boggling.

I played with fork height, shock oil, damping settings, sag, and tire pressure to get it to where I want it to "feel", and none are even close to what the factory says is "right". A mm here, 1/4 lbs of air there, a click on rebound.. have to play to find that sweet spot for YOU, not everyone else.

And remember that track settings are far from optimal for the average street around here.

Now, if I was 5 6 and weighed 140 lbs, maybe... LOL!!!
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You guys can argue about why she shouldn't have bought the bike, etc.. but DO IT IN ANOTHER THREAD. Quit whoring up her thread where she asked a TECH QUESTION.
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PM sent, Quit messing around and just bring it to me, I will make it purfect and U can ride and we can adjust till Ur happy

There ya go!
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You guys can argue about why she shouldn't have bought the bike, etc.. but DO IT IN ANOTHER THREAD. Quit whoring up her thread where she asked a TECH QUESTION.
the question was answered 3 pages ago, so now it's free reign, lol.
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Once again, Tim is the man, as is texlurch.
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this argument is kind of like whether using regular unleaded would do anything to your bike.

i think it really depends on your application.
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Once again, Tim is the man, as is texlurch.
Thank You, just trying to make it right for her, whats the saying opinions are like everyone has one? But a good set up makes it sooo much better
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this argument is kind of like whether using regular unleaded would do anything to your bike.

i think it really depends on your application.
I use regular 'cause it's cheap!! LOL!!!!!!!! But Sunoco purple just smells so much better.....

Kinda like all the people told me it was impossible to run around on pump gas at 16 lbs of boost on my LT1..
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"Trail can vary as the bike leans or steers. In the case of traditional geometry, trail decreases (and wheelbase increases if measuring distance between ground contact points and not hubs) as the bike leans and steers in the direction of the lean."

Think about that for a minute. While the trail measurement is a good indicator of steering response, it is not the end all of handling.

Question: Two bikes with identical trail measurements, one has a rake of 30 deg, one has a rake of 26 degrees. Axle location on the fork is the same. Which one will react to steering inputs quicker? What factor am I omitting?
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lowering a bike is a waste. just defeted the purpose of it.
Yeah its messes the bike up, but some people have no choice. What the defeats the purpose is having a bike that handles when your moving then when you get to a stop light you tip over because your legs are just dangling.
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we lowered the bike at my work, on the new cbr you can not lower the front end in the clamps 2 much because the forks are tapered. The front end on her bike is lowered, about 1/2 or a little more in the clamps. We tried to lower it more then that but the sets were loose so we had to go back up.
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We tried to lower it more then that but the sets were loose so we had to go back up.
How much was the rear lowered? Just curious as to how far off it was.

Guess her only option is to go back to stock, and increase the sag a bit.
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you all are ignoring one MAJOR factor in this equation. SHE BOUGHT A BRAND NEW 600CC SUPERSPORT BIKE. A bike that they undoubtedly sat on BEFORE she bought, and knew then THAT SHE COULDN'T TOUCH THE GROUND. but she bought the bike anyways. SPENT TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS on a bike that she's not even going to use for the purpose it was designed for. but she bought it anyways, probably because it looked pretty, or all the magazines told her it was the best bike to have, so she just had to have it, IGNORING THE FACT THAT SHE DOESN'T FIT ON IT!!

I don't know how you can defend such a bad trail of decisions. It would be one thing if she had some old hand me down bike and couldn't afford to get a bike that she could actually fit, NO, she bought a BRAND NEW $9499 MSRP bike, all the while ignoring the fact that she couldnt even touch the ground on it.

And XRCajun, lowered bikes handle like because you change the front end geometry. You change the trail of the bike, which can completely destroy any handling abilities the bike had. The lowered center of gravity has little to do with the handling change, other than making transitions a litte more difficult. Sportbikes are delicately balanced machines, similar to fighter jets. They are built with agility being the main goal, and then are toned down so that normal humans can operate them. Especially in the 600 class, they are pushing the absolute edge of what a bike is capable of. When you lower the bike, you through all those hundreds and hundreds of hours of engineers deciding the perfect ride height, rake, trail, suspension range, pivot angles, everything. And all just so you can put both feet on the ground at a stop. YOU'RE NOT EVEN RIDING THE BIKE WHEN IT'S STOPPED! why would you change how the bike rides so you can handle it better when it's stopped??
I disagree my bike is lowered and it still handles great. What is the big deal with her wanting to buy a new bike that she does not reach on. She probably tried all the bikes and could not reach on any of them so are you saying she should deprive herself from riding just because she cant reach. no I say get the bike and have it lowered and ride. Thats what I did and my cbr600 can take some mean curves
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2 inch in the rear. With lowering the the clamps 1/2 to 1 inch, so it should not really be that far un even or like her problem even.
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1 inch higher in front is a definately noticeable change in the rake; too slow the steering down and take too much weight off the front, especially if the damping and sag is too stiff. She probably has a harsh front end right now and that is what she isn't happy with.

Might be fixable enough to make it transparent, if she is willing to spend the time with it.
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ya I do not know why I said that, on my sv I put the forks just 1/2 off in the clamps and the bike cornered horribly. That is the prob with the new bikes, they are almost impossible to lower in the front safely.
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If it comes to an issue of lowering, there are alternatives in the busa world--- spring swaps in the front forks... Assuming she still desires the forks to be lowered, this is a little more permenant them sliding a triple tree(this said, assuming she is still reading this forum.)

I agree to the statements about how the bikes feel... An agressive rake puts you over the handle bars and gives you more of a sense of control with cross steer, etc. A positive rake may make for a more comfortable ride..

The busa was dropped 2 in the rear, 1.25 in the front; difference being the upper clamp was replaced to slide the fork tubes through, which caused the bars to go forward and out(stretching my position.) Worked out best after some riding... Bike sits even, not raked, i've gotten use to the handling and find it satisfactory, especially with the lowered COG for acceleration.


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