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Old 09-23-2007, 03:03 PM   #1
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wher ear ethe murder charges.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/ny...,4514890.story

A group of black law enforcement officials called upon the U.S. Department of Justice Tuesday to look at what they said was a race-based attack in Oceanside in which the victim, not the attacker, was charged with a crime.

Noel Leader, co-founder of One Hundred Blacks in Law Enforcement Who Care, said he is outraged that Nassau District Attorney Kathleen Rice is still pursuing first-degree assault charges against Aloysius Staton, 24, of Uniondale, even after a videotape showed him being brutally attacked on June 1 by eight white males in a McDonald's restaurant in Oceanside. Leader said though Staton did eventually hit one of the men with a beer bottle, it is obvious in the video from the restaurant that he did it is self-defense.

"It's clear to anyone who sees that video, even a novice, who the guilty parties are," Leader said. Staton's lawyer has said the males made racist threats before the attack.

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A spokesman for the Department of Justice did not respond to calls Tuesday seeking comment on whether the agency will investigate the case.

Eric Phillips, a spokesman for Rice, said his office is holding Staton accountable for his role in the fight. He said others involved in the fight may be charged as well, but that his office has been unable to reach Staton's friend, Oswaldo Rivero, 17, of Oceanside, who was hit with a chair in the fight. Prosecutors can't pursue charges against the other men unless they can prove that Rivera was hurt in the fight, Phillips said.

Staton, who was at the news conference Tuesday, said he has lived in fear since the incident.

"It's messed up my life," he said. "I can't go [out] because I think the cops are out to get me."

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Sometimes it seems like it works like a game, it's the one that they SEE that gets the penalty.........doesn't make it right by any means but, that is the way it works.
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8 on 1 because he was at mcdonalds with a white girl. Got beat up bad. wher are the murder charges.
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8 on 1 because he was at mcdonalds with a white girl. Got beat up bad. wher are the murder charges.
I agree..........but you KNOW how the game is played:/:
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I agree..........but you KNOW how the game is played:/:
of course i do but I'm just ready to see what excuse the (the jena 6 should get murder charges crowd will say about this one.
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"Jena, Louisiana: Nooses and White Supremacy

By Alice Woodward

On a late summer day in 2006, in Jena, Louisiana, a Black high school student asked permission to sit beneath the “white tree” in front of the town’s high school. It was unspoken law that this shady area was for whites only during school breaks. But a student asked, and the vice principal said nothing was stopping them. So Black students sat underneath the tree, challenging the established authority of segregation and racism. The next day, hanging from the tree, were three ropes, in school colors, each tied to make a noose.

The events set in motion by those nooses led to a schoolyard fight. And that fight led to the conviction, on June 28, 2007, of a Black student at Jena High School for charges that can bring up to 22 years in prison. Mychal Bell, a 16-year-old sophomore football star at the time he was arrested, was convicted by an all-white jury, without a single witness being called on his behalf. And five more Black students in Jena still face serious charges stemming from the fight.

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Caseptla Bailey, a Black community leader and mother of one of the Black students, told the London Observer, “To us those nooses meant the KKK, they meant, ‘******s, we're going to kill you, we're going to hang you till you die.’" The attack was brushed off as a “youthful stunt.” The three white students responsible, given only three days of in-school suspension.

In response to the incident, several Black students, among them star players on the football team, staged a sit-in under the tree. The principal reacted by bringing in the white district attorney, Reed Walters, and 10 local police officers to an all-school assembly. Marcus Jones, Mychal Bell’s father, described the assembly to Revolution:

"Now remember, with everything that goes on at Jena High School, everybody's separated. The only time when Black and white kids are together is in the classroom and when they playing sports together. During lunch time, Blacks sit on one side, whites sit on the other side of the cafeteria. During canteen time, Blacks sit on one side of the campus, whites sit on the other side of the campus.

“At any activity done in the auditorium—anything—Blacks sit on one side, whites on the other side, okay? The DA tells the principal to call the students in the auditorium. They get in there. The DA tells the Black students, he's looking directly at the Black students—remember, whites on one side, Blacks on the other side—he's looking directly at the Black students. He told them to keep their mouths shut about the boys hanging their nooses up. If he hears anything else about it, he can make their lives go away with the stroke of his pen."

DA Walters concluded that the students should “work it out on their own.” Police officers roamed the halls of the school that week, and tensions simmered throughout the fall semester.

In November, as football season came to a close, the main school building was mysteriously burned to the ground. This traumatic event seemed to bring to the surface the boiling racial tensions in Jena.

On a Friday night, Robert Bailey, a 17-year-old Black student and football player, was invited to a dance at a hall considered to be “white.” When he walked in, without warning he was punched in the face, knocked on the ground and attacked by a group of white youth. Only one of the white youth was arrested—he was ultimately given probation and asked to apologize.

The night after that, a 22-year-old white man, along with two friends, pulled a gun on Bailey and two of his friends at a local gas station. The Black youths wrestled the gun from him to prevent him from using it. They were arrested and charged with theft, and the white man went free.

The following Monday students returned to school. In the midst of a confrontation between a white student, Justin Barker, and a Black student, Robert Bailey—where Bailey was taunted for having been beaten up that weekend—a chaotic fray ensued. Barker was allegedly knocked down, punched, and kicked by a number of Black students. He was taken to the hospital for a few hours and was seen out socializing later that evening.

Six Black students—Robert Bailey Junior, Theo Shaw, Carwin Jones, Bryant Purvis, Mychal Bell, and a still unidentified minor, allegedly the attackers of Justin Barker—were arrested, charged with attempted second degree manslaughter, and expelled from school.

White Supremacy Then and Now

This did not all happen in the “Red Summer” of 1919 when Jim Crow segregation thrived, and Blacks in major cities faced race riots that raged throughout the country. This did not occur in the 1950s after Brown vs. Board of Education was decided in 1954 and young children faced angry white mobs to make history in desegregating public schools. This did not happen in the summer of 1955 when, in Money, Mississippi, a vibrant Black youth by the name of Emmett Till was brutally murdered for whistling at a white woman. This did not occur in 1960, when on February 1 four Black college students sat in at a “white only” lunch counter, demanding service and launching the civil rights movement to another level. This did not happen during the period 1865 to 1965 during which 3,446 Black people were lynched in the United States.

This is now. When three white students in Jena committed this hate crime, hanging three nooses from the “white tree,” they evoked the ugly history of slavery, segregation, lynching, and police brutality to threaten the lives of Black students at their school. The “white tree” stands in Jena, Louisiana. The Jena 6, as the Black students have come to be called, are in prison and on trial for defending themselves against white supremacist attacks.

The Jena 6 were arrested in December 2006. The outrageously high bail ranged from $70,000-$138,000, leaving most of them stuck in jail for months.

The first student to go to trial this June was Mychal Bell, who waited behind bars, unable to post bail. Like a scene from the Jim Crow South, he was judged by an all-white jury, in a courtroom run by a white judge. Whites sat with Justin Barker and his white lawyer on one side. Blacks sat with defendant Mychal Bell, who was represented by a court-appointed attorney.

The prosecutor called 16 witnesses, mostly white students. The court-appointed defense attorney called none. Accounts of the incident, who was involved, and who did what, vary highly, including whether Mychal Bell was the one who first punched Justin Barker. Barker’s attorney argued that Bell’s tennis shoes on his feet were a “dangerous weapon.” The trial was so outrageous that when a Louisiana TV station polled viewers, 62% said that Mychal Bell was not getting a fair trial.

Mychal Bell was convicted of two felonies: aggravated second-degree battery and conspiracy to commit aggravated second-degree battery. He faces up to 22 years in prison. The remaining five defendants await their trials.

Standing Up to Racism

Few people in the United States have heard of the case of the Jena 6. But the trial was covered by the French newspaper Le Monde, and the BBC aired a documentary on the case. The London Observer reported on the Jena 6 story.

Family, friends, and supporters of the young men are protesting and struggling to free the Jena 6. The Black community in Jena and people from across Louisiana and Texas have come together to support the Jena 6 and fight the injustice of their trials. People have put their lives on hold, and churches have opened their doors. The Jena 6 and their supporters are defiant and continue to be under attack. Marcus Jones told Revolution about the most recent event: "Thursday night we had an NAACP meeting here at the church. The next day, in the morning, the pastor goes to his church and somebody just clean ran through his church yard, knocked his sign down, ran over back and forth on it with they truck, and just took off, you know. People report it to the police (laughs). What good they gonna do here, I don't know."

The majority of Jena’s estimated 385 Black people live in an area of town known as Ward 10. Many homes there are trailers or wooden shacks. Rubbish lies in the streets. Only two Black families live in the all white middle class suburban area of Jena. An article in the Observer recounts how one of them bought a house: “A teacher from Jena High had enough money to buy his way in. But when he arrived local estate agents refused to show him a ‘white’ property even though several were advertised in the local paper (‘they're all under contract,’ the agents lied). The teacher eventually went to see one white owner and offered him cash. ‘The guy preferred green [dollars] to Black, so I got the property,’ laughed the teacher, ‘but since we moved in three years ago we haven't been invited by a single neighbor.’”

The “white tree” stands in Jena, Louisiana today while entire neighborhoods and precious lives in the 9th ward of New Orleans are left wasting away, even as the more profitable and less Black areas of the city are rebuilt. It stands while a father, a mother, a fiancée, a child, and many friends are still feeling the devastating loss of Sean Bell who was murdered by the NYPD. It stands while the Rutgers University basketball team gets subjected to racist and sexist verbal assault from a national talk show host. While the N word is spouted with rage by a comedian.

In a world such as this, there's nothing left to do but pull this tree up by its roots and get rid of it for good."
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This was taken from snopes.com

Origins: The appeal quoted above, which began circulating in e-mail in July 2007, is "true" in the basic sense that the events it describes did indeed take place. However, that is not to say it is entirely accurate, because it omits some very pertinent facts of the case.

At the end of a school assembly on 31 August 2006, a black student at Jena High School in Jena, Louisiana, jokingly asked the assistant principal of that institution if black students were allowed to sit in the shade of a tree in a square at the center of campus. The official's response was that they could "sit anywhere you want." The next morning, two nooses were found hanging from said tree.

Scott Windham, the high school's principal, recommended that the three white teens responsible for festooning the tree with those nooses be expelled from Jena High School, but that recommendation was overruled by the school superintendent and board members, who instead opted to view the matter as a non-racially motivated "prank." The three students responsible for placing the nooses were instead given three-day suspensions and temporary isolation.

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as a consequence of how the matter was handled (that is, the nooses' being judged a boyish prank rather than regarded as a serious threat), racial tensions flared at the school and in the surrounding community throughout the fall. (Investigating officials have since disclaimed a link between the placement of the nooses and subsequent violent incidents involving the school.) On 30 November 2006, a wing of the school was destroyed by a series of deliberately-set fires, one in the principal's office, and a number in various classrooms on the second floor. (No arrests have been made in connection with the fire.) There were also fights in and near the school, including one in which a black student was attacked by a group armed with beer bottles at a party predominantly attended by whites. (Only one person in that assault was criminally charged, and he with just a misdemeanor.)

In another incident that took place on 2 December 2006 at the Gotta-Go Grocery, a convenience store, a white Jena graduate reportedly pulled a pump-action shotgun on three black high school students when they left the shop. The three teens managed to wrestle the gun away from the man (who was injured in the process and was treated at a hospital for his injuries); they were later arrested and charged with second-degree robbery, theft of a firearm, and conspiracy to commit second-degree robbery. Accounts differ as to what happened in that incident, the white victim asserting he was attacked and robbed by the three teens, and the black teens asserting they were guilty of nothing more than defending themselves against a man with a gun. According to The Jena Times, eyewitness accounts provided by those unrelated to any of the four involved parties supported the victim's story.

The "Jena 6" attack took place on 4 December 2006 at the high school. During a fight that broke out in the lunchroom between a white student and a black student, the white student was hit from behind, knocked out, then set upon by other black students who proceeded to kick and stomp his "lifeless" body as he lay unconscious on the floor. The victim, Justin Barker, spent about three hours in an emergency room being treated for injuries to his head and face.

That assault resulted in five of the black teens involved being charged, as adults, with attempted second-degree murder and given bonds ranging from $70,000 to $138,000. A sixth teen was charged as a juvenile. Two of the Jena 6 defendants had been part of the threesome involved in the Gotta-Go Grocery incident, which is why their bonds were significantly higher: the bonds so assigned covered both sets of charges.

Mychal Bell, the only one of the Jena 6 to be tried so far, was convicted in June 2007 on a reduced charge of aggravated second-degree battery. He is scheduled to be sentenced on 20 September 2007, when he could possibly be given a term of up to 22 years in prison.

Prosecutors in his case revealed the teen had been convicted as a juvenile for attacking someone a year prior to the Jena 6 assault, then committed three more crimes while on probation for that one, which meant the Jena 6 verdict marked his fifth conviction for violent crimes. These prior acts were taken into account by the judge when the question arose of reducing Bell's $90,000 bond.

The case against Bell was weighed by an all-white jury (because no blacks called for jury duty showed up on the day of jury selection), and there are allegations that the accused's original defense attorney did a poor job. A motion hearing is scheduled for 4 September 2007, at which time Bell's new attorneys will argue that Bell's adult conviction should be wiped out and the case sent to juvenile court, or that he should get a new trial because he was misdefended by his original attorney.

Update: On 4 September 2007 prosecutors announced that charges against two more of the Jena 6 defendants, Carwin Jones and Theo Shaw, would be reduced from attempted second-degree murder to aggravated second-degree battery. On 14 September 2007 an appeals court vacated the second-degree battery conviction of Mychal Bell, ruling that the charges should have been brought in juvenile court. (The district attorney has not yet decided whether to refile the charges against Bell in juvenile court. The judge has so far declined to grant bail in the case, so Bell remains in jail for now.)

Donald Washington, U.S. attorney for the Western District of Louisiana, asserted that a review of the Jena investigations indicated there was no link between the hanging of the nooses and the beating of a student three months later: "A lot of things happened between the noose hanging and the fight occurring, and we have arrived at the conclusion that the fight itself had no connection."

LaSalle Parish District Attorney Reed Walters, who oversaw the investigations into both incidents, echoed that sentiment:
"When this case was brought to me and during our investigation and during the trial, there was no such linkage ever suggested. This compact story line has only been suggested after the fact."

Washington noted that after the noose-hanging incident at the start of the school year in August, school routines went forward as usual; there was no apparent lingering anger.

"There were three months of high school football in which they all played football together and got along fine, in which there was a homecoming court, in which there was the drill team, in which there were parades."

Asked if the incidents had been blown out of proportion, he replied, "To a degree, I believe so, yes."
Last updated: 19 September 2007

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"On a Friday night, Robert Bailey, a 17-year-old Black student and football player, was invited to a dance at a hall considered to be “white.” When he walked in, without warning he was punched in the face, knocked on the ground and attacked by a group of white youth. Only one of the white youth was arrested—he was ultimately given probation and asked to apologize.

The night after that, a 22-year-old white man, along with two friends, pulled a gun on Bailey and two of his friends at a local gas station. The Black youths wrestled the gun from him to prevent him from using it. They were arrested and charged with theft, and the white man went free.

The following Monday students returned to school. In the midst of a confrontation between a white student, Justin Barker, and a Black student, Robert Bailey—where Bailey was taunted for having been beaten up that weekend—a chaotic fray ensued. Barker was allegedly knocked down, punched, and kicked by a number of Black students. He was taken to the hospital for a few hours and was seen out socializing later that evening.

Six Black students—Robert Bailey Junior, Theo Shaw, Carwin Jones, Bryant Purvis, Mychal Bell, and a still unidentified minor, allegedly the attackers of Justin Barker—were arrested, charged with attempted second degree manslaughter, and expelled from school."
















the way people made it seem i thought the white guy was just standing under the tree whistling dixie and whittling wood. sure sheds light on some things.
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of course i do but I'm just ready to see what excuse the (the jena 6 should get murder charges crowd will say about this one.
+1 ...thanks for post C, should be interesting indeed!
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The following Monday students returned to school. In the midst of a confrontation between a white student, Justin Barker, and a Black student, Robert Bailey—where Bailey was taunted for having been beaten up that weekend—a chaotic fray ensued. Barker was allegedly knocked down, punched, and kicked by a number of Black students. He was taken to the hospital for a few hours and was seen out socializing later that evening.

Six Black students—Robert Bailey Junior, Theo Shaw, Carwin Jones, Bryant Purvis, Mychal Bell, and a still unidentified minor, allegedly the attackers of Justin Barker—were arrested, charged with attempted second degree manslaughter, and expelled from school."
The part about him being seen out socializing isn't the story I've heard. The reports I've seen say he was badly injured. What's the truth?
All the stuff leading up to this are seperate events, that should have been delt with individually and don't justify this action being taken. No excuse.
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The part about him being seen out socializing isn't the story I've heard. The reports I've seen say he was badly injured. What's the truth?
All the stuff leading up to this are seperate events, that should have been delt with individually and don't justify this action being taken. No excuse.
Then either your sources are questionable or you are turning a blind eye to the main, credible sources of information for this case or both. Either way here are a few mainstream sources for you:

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The white teenager who was beaten, Justin Barker, 17, was knocked out but walked out of a hospital after two hours of treatment for a concussion and an eye that was swollen shut. He attended a ring ceremony later that night.
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He joined fellow juniors that same night at the school's annual class ring ceremony. "I waited 11 years to go to it. I wasn't going to let that get in my way" he said. But, he said, pain drove him to leave the event early, after getting his ring.
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Another interesting factoid (same site):

Barker said he had a badly swollen face and temporary blindness in one eye that lasted three weeks. He also said he still suffers recurring headaches since the beating but, under cross examination, acknowledged that medical tests have found no cause.

There are a lot more links corroborating this suggested sequence of events but I'll let you do the rest of the searching...
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The part I dont like, is that the nooses on the tree, were deemed as a prank. Thats BS. In todays society, its obvious what kind of statement that is making. And it shouldnt be tolerated, especially in a town thats being accused of being prejudice. Seems if the accusations of segregation werent true, the town would want to make a statement showing the opposite.
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The part I dont like, is that the nooses on the tree, were deemed as a prank. Thats BS. In todays society, its obvious what kind of statement that is making. And it shouldnt be tolerated, especially in a town thats being accused of being prejudice. Seems if the accusations of segregation werent true, the town would want to make a statement showing the opposite.
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Link would be good to the McD's story. I was just going to ask what Sharptons and Jacksons views might be if the colors had been reversed, would they be hollering for the 6 white guys to not be prosecuted on the basis of race? You would think that maybe we as a people would see those nooses and think "real swift, what a bunch of retentive inbreds".

::particularly::

How, you ask, did they even know about the noose's significance? From stories told to them by their parents maybe, who continue to keep the dream burning?


But no, they had to go on their own personal crusade and "gang" up on a single person to vent their anger and personal affront.

From my 40+ years of experience on the entire race thing, it seems to be self propagating from those people of the Sharpton and Jackson ilk. Why can't we all just get along and move on? Because someone is always jumping up and reminding us of the race issues.

Study a little history on how the Chinese, Irish, Indians and blacks were treated. All were basically sold into slavery or prostitution by their own people. If your own people threw you to the wolves, how do you expect someone else to look upon you?

It has been changing over the years, for the better. But every time life and race relations seem to be getting better, one of our crusaders has to stir the pot and revive all the hate and pain.
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Then either your sources are questionable or you are turning a blind eye to the main, credible sources of information for this case or both. Either way here are a few mainstream sources for you:


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Another interesting factoid (same site):

Barker said he had a badly swollen face and temporary blindness in one eye that lasted three weeks. He also said he still suffers recurring headaches since the beating but, under cross examination, acknowledged that medical tests have found no cause.

There are a lot more links corroborating this suggested sequence of events but I'll let you do the rest of the searching...


I have spent a little time looking for more details and it looks like you are prolly right about him being treated and released.
What concerns me is that this guy was hit from behind and kicked and stomped until unconcious by a group of 6 people of a different race. That is without a doubt a hate crime.
The fact that 1 of those people had enough previous convictions to warrant a maximum penalty for assault while committing a hate crime is in the record.
If others involved have not received the same treatment, then THOSE cases should be reviewed. That doesnt lessen the severity of what this guy did.
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I have spent a little time looking for more details and it looks like you are prolly right about him being treated and released.
What concerns me is that this guy was hit from behind and kicked and stomped until unconcious by a group of 6 people of a different race. That is without a doubt a hate crime.
The fact that 1 of those people had enough previous convictions to warrant a maximum penalty for assault while committing a hate crime is in the record.
If others involved have not received the same treatment, then THOSE cases should be reviewed. That doesnt lessen the severity of what this guy did.
Why is it that everybopdy is trying to discredit the young white kid because he was released from the hospital. I have had several consusions and was released within a few hours but, you can ask anybody else around afterwards i was still not completely straight but I was functioning.

This is how I see it.... 6 on 1 and only 1 of those 6 is still in jail. Why is he there? Answer: Because he is a criminal. I believe this guy is 17 and a 5 time offender. Of course he is still in jail and he will probably be serving a good amount of time for this offense. The rest of the guys will probably be on prohbation for a while.

How is this any different from any other case out there? Seems justified to me and I would be saying this no matter what color these people where. Black, Blue, Green, Purple....


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I have spent a little time looking for more details and it looks like you are prolly right about him being treated and released.
What concerns me is that this guy was hit from behind and kicked and stomped until unconcious by a group of 6 people of a different race. That is without a doubt a hate crime.
The fact that 1 of those people had enough previous convictions to warrant a maximum penalty for assault while committing a hate crime is in the record.
If others involved have not received the same treatment, then THOSE cases should be reviewed. That doesnt lessen the severity of what this guy did.
Yeah well your saying things that I along with a few others on here have already been saying:

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...the subsequent actions of the 6 kids who cowardly beat up a single white kid for these actions warrant their arrest and should not be retracted- although I think the trying them as adults may be a bit questionable (I don't know the specific details of the case other than what has been reported in the mainstream media so I refrain judgment for now). In the end, the kids who ganged up on the white kid are cowards and the individuals who hung the nooses were cowards, the white boy that got whooped deserves justice and all parties were wrong (except for the guy who got beat up because there is no mention of what he may or may not have done to prompt the beating).
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I disagree to an extent. I'm thinkin that that which you are suggesting lacks precedent. Besides,simply being a repeat offender does not warrant automatic elevation of the charges, there are certain justifications necessary to be made. A repeat offense, given the merits of this particular case, would only warrant the elevation of the charges within the same tier of crime- NOT an elevation in tier quid pro quo a legitimate elevation in charges with considerations given to past offenses: assault and battery to aggravated assault, illegitimate elevation of charges with considerations given to past offenses: assault and battery to attempted murder.

Let's think about it, a charge of assault and battery in and of itself covers when an individual one person "1) tries to or does physically strike another, or 2) acts in a threatening manner to put another in fear of immediate harm" while aggravated assault/battery refers to an instance where "1) tries to or does cause severe injury to another, or 2) causes injury through use of a deadly weapon". There is still an issue/question of the severity of the victims' injuries, so a prosecutor would already be hard pressed to justify "aggravated" assault- absent the perpetrator's prior charges- so imagine the prospects of an attempted murder charge, again, prior charges withstanding. I would venture to guess that the merits of this particular case given the victim was treated and released from care within a three hour period and that he was able to attend a later function in and of itself warrants the lesser of that class/tier of crime and an assault and battery charge would suffice, because I have a hard time believing that a hospital would not keep you over night for observation, but rather, release you within such a short amount of time IF your injuries weren't relatively minor. Our suspect however, does have a prior arrest record, which just so happens to involve the same type of crime-assault/battery, it is expected that the prosecution would look to elevate the charges to a level coherent with the facts related to this case. In my mind, based on those items mentioned above would entail an aggravated assault charge. An attempted murder charge would need to justified by the prosecutions ability to prove that our suspect had the intent to kill; both the means by which the suspect perpetrated the act AND the victims injuries sustained in the act, would need to be consistent with the aforementioned charge- you cannot simply change the tier/class of a crime on the basis of the suspect being a repeat offender.

There is simply no justification for an attempted murder charge. THIS is what the issue is, race should have nothing to do with it. Think about the merits of the case.
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Why is it that everybopdy is trying to discredit the young white kid because he was released from the hospital. I have had several consusions and was released within a few hours but, you can ask anybody else around afterwards i was still not completely straight but I was functioning.

This is how I see it.... 6 on 1 and only 1 of those 6 is still in jail. Why is he there? Answer: Because he is a criminal. I believe this guy is 17 and a 5 time offender. Of course he is still in jail and he will probably be serving a good amount of time for this offense. The rest of the guys will probably be on prohbation for a while.

How is this any different from any other case out there? Seems justified to me and I would be saying this no matter what color these people where. Black, Blue, Green, Purple....


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I can't speak for anyone else, but I can say that I am not trying to discredit the victim of the beating. The only reason I ever mention it- his attendance of a school function later that night- is to point to the illegitimacy of the attempted murder charge. And yes, certain groups of people definitely need to grow mentally...
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I can say that I am not trying to discredit the victim of the beating. The only reason I ever mention it- his attendance of a school function later that night- is to point to the illegitimacy of the attempted murder charge. And yes, certain groups of people definitely need to grow mentally...
Yeah, I think it is some disinformation being used to fuel the protests but, it is not viable. As for the charges.. let them have their day in court but, I think this whole thing is being blown out of proportion by the race baiters.
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