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Old 09-20-2007, 02:41 PM   #1
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Does Anybody Here Follow 250gp Racing?

I know I'm not the only in on this forum that follows 250gp. I'm not die-hard about it, but you can learn so much from watching those guys battle. The reason why I bring the question up is I never hear anybody talk about this class on the MH Racer Lounge.

You can pick up tips for technique, lines, passing, strategies and more from watching racing. Trackday riders too can benefit greatly and learn much by watching racers duke it out.

Motogp and WSBK is my favorite to follow. I learn most my skills from watching 250gp guys though. Advice can be taken..... and opinions most welcome.
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Yep, there's always a lot of good racing there. I think the main reason people don't discuss it much is because there are no american riders and we never hear anything about them. They don't have their own helmets (aka Edwards replica, Rossi replica etc.) We at least get some AMA replica gear. Unfortuantely some people back their way into rooting for a certain brand/bike/rider. They might get a certain helmet cause they like it, then that might cause them to follow a certain racer. Just my $.02. Plus, the best rider, Lorenzo, is an a-hole.
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I just got dvr so I can record the 250's when they are not on sunday's, some of the best battles I've seen are in the 250 class
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Old 09-20-2007, 04:36 PM   #4
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Pretty much what dhdrider said. Two smokes are a dying breed and most are waiting to see when the classes will be eliminated or changed to four stroke. No big companies are investing any money in R&D to make them more eco friendly. I love the 125's and 250's but there is going to be a time when they are no more, and I think its gonna be sooner than later.
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Forget MH, it's disappointing that the 125s and 250s aren't more popular in the states, period! Laguna leaving out the lower classes in favor of AMA Snoozerbike racing is a joke. Thankfully Indy will show the series as it was meant to be!

For the longest time 125s produced the most exciting races in the series. I love 'em and the 250s. I'm hoping they will gain popularity in the states, now that there is an American Redbull Rookiecup to develop young riders on KTM 125s. That's awesome.

There is currently 1 American rider in the 125 class. Steve Bonsey. He's a mid to lower-third pack finisher for now, but he is only 16 years old and NEVER road a roadracing bike before this season. lol He's a dirt tracker that Kenny Roberts recommended for the KTM ride.

It's been rumored that the 125s will be replaced by thumper 450cc 4-strokes, and 250s by current 600cc sportbikes. I hope not.
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I am a die-hard 125 and 250 fan... I watch it live and I know most of the riders... For example, watch out for Pol Esparago to be the next good rider... Randy Krumanacher is very good too... Daniel Webb is struggling and may not make it.. Bradley Smith is decent but let's see how he does when he rides the KTM or Aprilia since Honda is pulling out in 09. Steve Bonsey... well, he is an American doing the right thing to be the next great American champion... The next two years will tell if he is talented or has reached his potential...

In the 250, I said in other forums to look out for Alvaro Bautista and Jorge Lorenzo and boom! What a show. Eugene Laverty is overrated.. sure he has stock Honda machinery but Thailand's Wilarot is doing better than him!

As for the 125 and 250 riders not having their own helmet design... WRONG! They do! There is the Barbara replica for AGV.. I know Shoei and Arai have theirs too... Look out for Nolan, X-Lite, NZI racer replicas that are very popular in Europe.

As for the 4-stroke rumors, there was an official behind the scene meeting between the chiefs at FIM, Dorna, and HRC in Japan last month about 4 stroke 250 and 400 class. My source was from the Sepang International Circuit as it was on concurrent with introducing motorcycle speedway racing in Asia.

As for 2-stroke development, Aprilia and KTM are still pushing to make better bikes... if development is dead, then why are lap times being broken and current year makes beating last year makes.
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Definitely need to watch Pol Espagaro and Bradly Smith. I'm still not sold on Randy Krumanacher just yet. Harold Bartol had to light a fire under his for him to get a decent result. It worked though.

I think Bradly has shown tremendous improvement over the previous year with hardly any help from Honda at all.

I thought Lucas Pesek had finally turned the corner from crasher to winner, but it didn't last very long.

Mattia Pasini should be given an award for not slitting his wrists this year.


Gabor Talmacsi being labeled a 'bad teammate' is just plain wrong. Yeah, he defied team orders and beat Kallio. I don't blame him. WHen looking for a ride you can't put on your resume that you 'could have one some races if it wasn't for team orders', but you CAN show actual race wins.

... and Hector Faubel is a crybaby for calling him out the way he did. I don't think GT did anything wrong at Misano.


Oh man.. Sooo many sub-plots and that's just the 125s!
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well even though it may just be rumors looks like they are pushing to have 600's replace the 250 class.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sp.../?&R=EPI-94564

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well even though it may just be rumors looks like they are pushing to have 600's replace the 250 class.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sp.../?&R=EPI-94564

http://sameerkumar.blogspot.com/2007...s-in-2010.html


I say rumors because the talk as been around for a loooong, loooooooooong time. But dang, that 600 thing looks close to being a done deal.

That sucks. If they are going to do that, they shouldn't allow them to be production based bikes.
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I say rumors because the talk as been around for a loooong, loooooooooong time. But dang, that 600 thing looks close to being a done deal.

That sucks. If they are going to do that, they shouldn't allow them to be production based bikes.
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"If we go to 600 this is bad for racing. I am not sticking to two-strokes, but it should be a proper race bike. Not donkey racing, with a 600."
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"If we go to 600 this is bad for racing. I am not sticking to two-strokes, but it should be a proper race bike. Not donkey racing, with a 600."
Just saw that.. Gotta love Herald Bartol!
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I say rumors because the talk as been around for a loooong, loooooooooong time. But dang, that 600 thing looks close to being a done deal.

That sucks. If they are going to do that, they shouldn't allow them to be production based bikes.
Using the 600 production engine rumor is old and most likely scrapped..

Oh another guy Stephan Brandl is pretty good too...

Bradley Smith's problem is his race starts and when his tank is full...

I agree about GT... and agree what a whiner HF is... LOL...
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Honda has started working on 250 4 stroke GP bikes... I assume to take over the 125 class, and Im sure that the same will happen with the current 250 2 strokers only something along the lines of a 450cc 4 stroke.
That said its not the engines that make the racing fun to watch, it the fact that there is actually racing going on, and there are enough evenly matched riders and bike in the field that it could be anyones race any time.
if I remeber correctly the premier class in GP was once made up of 2 strokes as well..... The new 4 strokes are just as fun to watch.
I personaly love small displacement 2 stroke bikes but I would be just as happy to ride a 4 stroke if it felt as light and flickable as a 2 stroke
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if I remeber correctly the premier class in GP was once made up of 2 strokes as well..... The new 4 strokes are just as fun to watch.
I personaly love small displacement 2 stroke bikes but I would be just as happy to ride a 4 stroke if it felt as light and flickable as a 2 stroke

The 990s were just as fun to watch, the 800s... not quite as much. The exciting thing about the 500s was the fact that they could highside themselves into oblivion at any possible moment.

Too much electronics and the switch to 4-strokes has taken that away. That's just one small aspect though.
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Honda has started working on 250 4 stroke GP bikes... I assume to take over the 125 class, and Im sure that the same will happen with the current 250 2 strokers only something along the lines of a 450cc 4 stroke.
That said its not the engines that make the racing fun to watch, it the fact that there is actually racing going on, and there are enough evenly matched riders and bike in the field that it could be anyones race any time.
if I remeber correctly the premier class in GP was once made up of 2 strokes as well..... The new 4 strokes are just as fun to watch.
I personaly love small displacement 2 stroke bikes but I would be just as happy to ride a 4 stroke if it felt as light and flickable as a 2 stroke
Good point... also I dont know why they go as far to make a 600 4-stroke. I don't believe it. Those enginers would design machines that would probably produce +160 hp out a 600cc's. 450 or 500cc 4-strokes at most.

There seems to be so much talent in the 250 ranks that its seems stiff to ever get a shot at Motogp. Where as you have guys like Spies that run away with titles because of not just talent but huge political support for his race classes. Who will be in Motogp for sure do to his dominance where he is but might never do anything in 250gp.

Of topic, but I would like to see Haner on Spies bike and Spies on Haners bike for a race weekend. See how things fan out for kicks.

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Of topic, but I would like to see Haner on Spies bike and Spies on Haners bike for a race weekend. See how things fan out for kicks.

Haner, Spies, Kevin freakin' Schwantz raced on the same bike in CMRA Endurance last year. Pretty freakin' awesome, until the engine let go.

(it was Randall K<sp> bike they raced on.)

Lap times are probably still available on cmra's website.

Pics from the event: http://gratch.no-ip.org/gallery/v/CM...TWS (Texas World Speedway)-Endurance/

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http://www.cmraracing.com/Results/20...&en=5682&cl=94
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Haner, Spies, Kevin freakin' Schwantz raced on the same bike in CMRA Endurance last year. Pretty freakin' awesome, until the engine let go.

(it was Randall K<sp> bike they raced on.)
Your right!! Good thinking! Haner still has the picture on is Myspace of that day. I was there that weekend too. Just hangin out and filming.

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Your right!! Good thinking! Haner still has the picture on is Myspace of that day. I was there that weekend too. Just hangin out and filming.

Poor engine lol
Haner's myspace vid was not that day. That was a few years ago during sprints. I think it was the weekend he broke the track record there... not sure.

Haner didn't get much time on Randall's bike, they broke a sprocket before they lost the engine. It was cool to see Ty Howard turning wrenches and working pits for that group! Cool weekend...


Anyway, regarding the 250's and 125's, I enjoy watching them and the 2-stroke engines have a nostalgic feeling to them. I do think, however, that the development of a 4-stroke program will only translate to better development to any one of our street bikes. Looking at the progress made to them over the past 10 or so years is incredible! , when I started racing, I thought the VFR I had was the best you could get in '86/'87. I guess it was, Bubba Shobert won multiple championships on one. But comparing that bike to what we have now? OMG what a difference.
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Haner's myspace vid was not that day. That was a few years ago during sprints. I think it was the weekend he broke the track record there... not sure.

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I'm said the picture bro of him, Spies Shwantz, etc. Where they all holding beers up saying "....we had a tearible time". Not the video where he is waving while he drifts through turn 3.

I heard about the Momma's Boys team from some mutual friends and had to watch them rip up our local track.

Then I was there the next day for the sprints because I wanted to show a bunch of my street riding buddies what the track is all about. They ran the short track that day in the sprints remember cause someone took out the air-fence by the tires.
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