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Old 09-13-2007, 02:42 PM   #1
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ISO input for trackday improvements

Please take a second to reflect on all the trackdays you’ve done.
Regardless what organization I.E. LSTD, Ridesmart, LMS, Elite etc…
I’m curious, what you found in each organization to be benefital to your time spent on the track.
And what each organization tried to provide that was a hindrance to your progression.

In summary, what is it from each organization combined would you like to see used as a solid foundation?
And what is it that you’d rather see removed from the curriculum of these track day organizers?

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Old 09-13-2007, 02:54 PM   #2
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Wish list:

1) Fewer "Instructors" that are barely old enough to drive and act like they don't want to talk to grandpa.(because sometimes there is a generation gap)

2) A clearly stated weather policy. (I know that the track mgmt makes this difficult in some cases)

3) A flexible refund policy. (In case of unexpected reasons for having to cancel)

I realize this is a low profit bidness and some of these ideas have been beaten to death here but I'm wishin'.


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#4) More umbrella girls!! (that like old guys)
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Old 09-13-2007, 03:13 PM   #4
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JET WHERE ARE THE PICS????


Sorry for jacking your thread swift.:walks away begging for another hit:
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more one on one time if needed.... would be good

more TIME at the track(not nessacarily TRACK TIME).... ie instead of 9-5 maybe 7-7...
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^just get thtere earlier Chris.

I'd like to see:
1) laptimers available for rent.
2) better PA systems
3) all inclusive option(food) available.
4) and yes umbrella girls
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Old 09-13-2007, 03:59 PM   #7
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IMO ............and experience with the three or four org. in texas they provided the only thing i paid for..........access to the track, nothing more nothing less. I didnt care for any instructors, food, etc. On the otherhand, these TD charge less than big names like code or spencer etc. when i went to one of the camps, it was 1 instructor for every 2 riders, they watched you like a hawk and really talked to you after each session and asked what you wanted to learn or whatever. Each session was also structure for a technique instead of just track time.
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Old 09-13-2007, 04:03 PM   #8
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^just get thtere earlier Chris.

I'd like to see:
1) laptimers available for rent.
2) better PA systems
3) all inclusive option(food) available.
4) and yes umbrella girls
some of these things have nothing to do with the organizer tho. keep that in mind!

when you rent something ( a track in this case ) all you do is rent what they have to offer and thats that!
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Old 09-13-2007, 04:06 PM   #9
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IMO ............and experience with the three or four org. in texas they provided the only thing i paid for..........access to the track, nothing more nothing less. I didnt care for any instructors, food, etc. On the otherhand, these TD charge less than big names like code or spencer etc. when i went to one of the camps, it was 1 instructor for every 2 riders, they watched you like a hawk and really talked to you after each session and asked what you wanted to learn or whatever. Each session was also structure for a technique instead of just track time.
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I go to the track to learn to improve my riding abilities....I'll talk to an instructor if need be, but I'm really there to learn the lines and get the adrenaline rush.....but all I really want is seat time
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The most important thing I see missing is a point of contact who has nothing else to do but be a point of contact. Always there, always available, with a radio in hand, who can get in contact with anyone on site, and who is versed in the 10 or 20 most FAQ's. I see organiers running around frantic and frazzled because they are working, answering questions, prepping to ride, caring for downed riders, holding class, whatever... so a lot of participants are waiting in the wings to have really stupid easy recurring questions answered. It wastes everyone's time and adds a level of distraction I think is really couterproductive to safety, smooth rehearsed teaching, and rider concentration while riding.

Remember the books you guys might have read on riding. Distractions and lack of focus cause many slow laps and accidents. Worrying about if you can ride A group in the afternoon, how long until lunch, should I suit up now or later, can I pass on the inside, how many laps in the session......they all take a toll on rider focus and sharp execution while on track. Concise info before and after riding make these distractions go away. PA systems always suck, so bring your own handhelds.

Also, it really would be nice to have a list of all people working for the trackday organization. Maybe better signage on the worker's bikes, vests worn when riding and when not riding, introductions made in gear without baseball caps, just so we can remember who is who.
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On the otherhand, these TD charge less than big names like code or spencer etc. when i went to one of the camps, it was 1 instructor for every 2 riders, they watched you like a hawk and really talked to you after each session and asked what you wanted to learn or whatever.
I think yours and BigComfy's suggestions are very good. I like those suggestions better than a lot I have seen in the recent past.

The thing is though, the orgs that offer those things cost a lot of money too.
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Old 09-13-2007, 05:39 PM   #12
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Speaking as a noob, here's what I'd like to see ...

I'd like to have the noob days split into groups ... like a Noob A, Noob B and a Noob C. And then run 20 minute sessions. That way, you can get less people on the track at any one time and you can seperate out the true noobs from the semi-noobs and have lower instructor to noob ratios


And have more noob days
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Old 09-13-2007, 06:16 PM   #13
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Speaking as a noob, here's what I'd like to see ...

I'd like to have the noob days split into groups ... like a Noob A, Noob B and a Noob C. And then run 20 minute sessions. That way, you can get less people on the track at any one time and you can seperate out the true noobs from the semi-noobs and have lower instructor to noob ratios


And have more noob days
problem with this is.....there won't be that many noobs to sign up in 1 trackday.
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1. moderate amount of people on the track at a time
2. policing of people who are in the group they don't belong in
3. instructors that pay attention to their students
4. hooter's girls holding umbrellas for us
5. strippers to entertain us while we are back in the pits
6. free trackdays
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:39 PM   #15
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Like some other people have already mentioned, I'm mostly looking for track time rather than a lot of instruction. There's only so many times you can hear an instructor in the class room say 'be smooth' before you get tired of hearing it. I've learned a lot more just by watching good riders go around the track whether they are instructors or just participants. If it is your first or second time doing a track day then a full day of classroom is great because you will learn about track etiquette and other riding info that can be different between the street and the track, but beyond that I'd rather spend the non-track time resting, checking the bike, spinning stories, etc.

I like the idea of a limited number of riders in each group. I've come upon trains of 10-12 riders enough times to know that it is certainly not practical to try to go around that many or for that many to try to go around that one slower person up front and having to do a hot pit stop to get a gap can burn a lot of time in a short 20 minute session. This seems to be pretty directly correlated to overall group size.

I also like the idea of longer hours for the track to be operational when there is plenty of daylight. Yes that is going to be during the summer and most people will be burned by the heat before the end of the day, but I've sat out an early afternoon session on occasion because I knew that the last session would have few riders and would provide for a clearer track. I've even had one end of the day session where I was the only person on track! That was sweet. I could hear the corner workers cursing me as I went by. This is probably out of the hands of the organizers and a function of the track operators but there can be some flexibility to it.

Most of all I would like to see more weekend track days. I know that is hard to do and I know the reasons why it is hard to do but I can still hope. It is worth a higher fee to me to have fewer riders and a weekend track day so I don't have to leave my business to enjoy my hobby.

And of course, umbrella girls. It can get hot waiting for the track to go green.
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Old 09-13-2007, 08:40 PM   #17
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Track instruction can only be expected to go so far. We can show you proper lines, body position, brake markers etc. Unfortunately we can't ride you two up to let you see how it's supposed to feel. At LMS we offer nine different instructors at varioous levels of speed to cover just about everyone, yet unless it's a noob day very few actually take advantage of the FREE instruction available. Seat time is the best teacher by far, and getting an instructor to follow you or lead you a lap then follow you is the best way to get feedback that helps you go faster. Shockingly few ask for the help for whatever reason. I shoot video and it's like pulling teeth to get some guys to watch it. I guess they know everything or feel they are beyond the level of the instructors. I've taken a Ty Howard class EVERY year, and I learn something I missed or something new everytime. I don't think there is one trackday provider that doesn't offer instruction, you just have to ask and be willing to learn. I too would like to see 7-7 hours but unfortunately the track owners aren't gonna let that happen. But I'll keep trying ...............
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1) Fewer "Instructors" that are barely old enough to drive and act like they don't want to talk to grandpa.(because sometimes there is a generation gap)

4) More umbrella girls!! (that like old guys)

+1 And I would like more feedback from the intructors, good-bad or otherwise, tell me I ride like **IT.......but tell me something.:/:
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^just get thtere earlier Chris.

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2) better PA systems
3) all inclusive option(food) available.
4) and yes umbrella girls
i dont see why they dont broadcast the anouncements on an FM or AM frequency.that way one can understand whats going on.PA sounds like a bad episode of Charlie Brown cartoon.........wuawuawua
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what type of hand helds?
like walkie talkies?
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