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Old 09-12-2007, 08:23 AM   #41
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:26 AM   #42
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I addition to what the others said about body positioning, I would venture to guess that this particular crash didn't occur by tucking the front on entry to the corner. If that were the case you would have crashed by pic 3 most likely. Judging by the pic 5, you are well into the horeshoe and my guess as to what ahppened is when you began to accelerate it unloads the front suspension a bit and casued the front to tuck, but ultimately it would have mostlikely been prevented by getting off the bike more, thus decreasing your lean angle...
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but ultimately it would have mostlikely been prevented by getting off the bike more, thus decreasing your lean angle...
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Work on your body position according to those pics.
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Reasons you may have crashed:

1) There is a dip in turn 10 just past the apex
2) cool (not quite up to temp) tires; street or track compound?
3) stock suspension?

Fundamentally your body position looks sound. Seems similar to my own, but I am only capable of 1:48.5's at TWS (Texas World Speedway).
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:54 AM   #46
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Old 09-12-2007, 12:31 PM   #47
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Stock front suspension, tuned by Motorcycles Unlimited
Hit them up for either some RaceTech internals or if you have deep pockets Ohlins goodies!

Going slower or having worked front forks you hardly notice the depression. Otherwise.....

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Still a street tire and thus takes a little bit before it comes up to temp.

It happens, eventually as skill levels rise your cost of consumables goes up. Said another way "You gotta pay to play!"
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Well there is your problem j/k

The bump that Ronnie refers to has claimed a few bikes, The stock front valving does leave some to be desired, especially the rebound circuit.

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Old 09-12-2007, 01:04 PM   #49
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Do you have any idea what kind of lap times you are running at TWS (Texas World Speedway)?

The past 3 TDs I've done at TWS (Texas World Speedway) I've been on Diablo 3s as well and my RC51 is a big heavy pig compared to your CBR600rr...
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Out of the three times I crashed I only for sure know why I crashed at TWS (Texas World Speedway). I wasn't feeling confortable got passed by my budd I increased speed and I looked to far in the turn on t7 hit the curb and had a 1/2 gixxer instantly.

The other two times I don't now for sure. Doug thinks I hit a curb on the MSRH crash and he thinks I was going to fast on turn 10 after the horseshoe causing the lowside.

I do think it is important to try to discover why you went down because it is expensive. It ain't like crashing on a dirtbike because them suckers are tough.
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Old 09-12-2007, 02:22 PM   #51
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Not sure what my lap times are, i did buy a brand new XT lap timer, made 3 laps and didnt look down at it.. After i crashed i realized my brand new lap timer screen was smashed d'oh!
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:49 AM   #52
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I agreed with the tires issue.
There are three things that I could tell you from my opinion looking at the pics, 1. maxing out your street tire gripping ability 2. Tire pressure incorrect 3. there is a groove or imperfection on the track
Other than that, body position looks fine to me.
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On a side note, if you used your body position (touching knee puck to the ground) as a reference point of your lean angle that could help out from maxing out your lean angle.
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get some DOT race tires, racetech your forks (or ohlins if you got the paper to do so), and no excuses after that.

that's what i did. now i can only blame rider error if something happens.
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"Not knowing what the happened" is the part that I would be most concerned with. Every point that has been stated here are great reasons why people crash, but you are the one that caused the crash. Not your tires, not your suspension, etc. How did you feel right after? Did you think you were going in to hot and adjusted something abruptly? You body position can obviously use some work as most have stated here. Have you worked with an insturctor about your body position? Have you worked with an instructor specifically about Turn 10 at TWS (Texas World Speedway)? So many people walk away from a crash and look for external reason . . . try not to do that. Reflect on what YOU did that caused this and correct it. If your still puzzled, seek the help that is there at the track day orgs. It has been my experience that most people that walk away with the big ? as to why need to spend more time with the proper instruction and less time trying to force themselves to become faster. Repeating improper form over and over will not lead to better riding skills, just a greater likelyhood of catastrophic failure. PM for more thoughts if you'd like. Good luck out there.
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I agreed with the tires issue.
There are three things that I could tell you from my opinion looking at the pics, 1. maxing out your street tire gripping ability 2. Tire pressure incorrect 3. there is a groove or imperfection on the track
Other than that, body position looks fine to me.
I disagree w/ that. Diablo Corsa 3s are perfectly capable of laps below 2:00 at TWS (Texas World Speedway). Same goes for Mich 2CTs & Bridgestone BT002 race/streets...
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How do you learn from a crash when you dont know what the happened?
weeeell, oh well, oh well oh well..I talked to , I knew he'd understand, he said "stick by me, I'll be your guiding hand"
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I disagree w/ that. Diablo Corsa 3s are perfectly capable of laps below 2:00 at TWS (Texas World Speedway). Same goes for Mich 2CTs & Bridgestone BT002 race/streets...
I recently was at the TWS (Texas World Speedway) with Ride Smart on my r6 on 2ct's and I have noticed that it had slip a couple of times. Maybe because it had 3 trackdays on it????
If you are running 2 or below on street tires at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...
I thought I tried but didn't have the confidence after a few session. I am sure there are people that could turn 2 or less with street compound but unlike to find one on their bikes.
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under 2 min on a good street tire shouldn't be a problem and you should barely be slippin at all esp on a 600.

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