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Old 09-11-2007, 10:41 PM   #21
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Maybe I could learn something from his crash?
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:42 PM   #22
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Well couple changes to the bike.. brand new tires, turning my 3rd lap... new ohlins shock in the rear - adjusted by Motorcycles Unlimited...

I know one thing is, my pegs need to be raised. Last track day I was scraping toe all the time.

This time, Im going into the turn, dragging knee... then toe... then more toe,, more toe.. then thinking oh shiiiitttt and lowside to go tumbling across the pavement..

Not sure if peg finally hit? i know my foot was all over the ground... ugghhh
adjust your feet differently on the peg.....if you adjust your foot, you'll drag pegs before you drag toes. dragging toes can be a bit of a problem if they decide to catch the floor and rip your foot off the peg.

or you can hang off more, and keep the bike more upright.

if your peg hits, your bike will not crash because of it, it'll just grind your pegs a bit. the footpeg is a movable part....IF you were to drag your kickstand on the other hand (remember, the kickstand only moves out, not further in)......it will grind...after it spits you off.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:42 PM   #23
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Maybe I could learn something from his crash?
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So, are you saying he washed out on the front end?
yep, most likely.
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adjust your feet differently on the peg.....if you adjust your foot, you'll drag pegs before you drag toes. dragging toes can be a bit of a problem if they decide to catch the floor and rip your foot off the peg.

or you can hang off more, and keep the bike more upright.

if your peg hits, your bike will not crash because of it, it'll just grind your pegs a bit. the footpeg is a movable part....IF you were to drag your kickstand on the other hand (remember, the kickstand only moves out, not further in)......it will grind...after it spits you off.
I have adjustable rear sets, that are set pretty comfortably for the street. The gilles pegs are really short too.
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I have adjustable rear sets, that are set pretty comfortably for the street. The gilles pegs are really short too.
it's okay...i have my rearsets adjusted in the middle....all the way up and back is uncomfortable, even for a track only bike. i just get my upper body way off to make up for the bike's lean angle.

i slowly adjust it up/back every other trackday just to get used to it.
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Listen to Tony's advice about the toe thing i was doing the same thing yesterday and just about grinded threw the boat. Move your head out to were your mirrors are. Do this before moving your of the seat you will feel like you have an extra +30% turning capabilty(and increased stabilityas well).
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:51 PM   #28
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oops
from left to right, top to bottom.......the 3rd picture....your head is almost centered with the bike.

i'm guessing from that picture, you weighted the bars, and tucked the front

BUT, you're doing a great job looking through the turn
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I think i may have been heavy on the bars actually. So putting alot of you weight on the bar will cause it to be unstable in the front? I know I wasnt very relaxed. New shock, new tires, new master cylinder that the lever was a few clicks to far out.

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don't worry.....there is always something to learn from a crash....even if you don't know it, consciously (sp?) you do.

from what you're saying, and the pictures....only tips i could say is...

get your upper body off more, i learned this from lowsiding in turn 10 also. to help get your upper body off, put your head where the mirror is supposed to be. drop your elbow down towards your knee, that helps getting your upper body off also.
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I think i may have been heavy on the bars actually. So putting alot of you weight on the bar will cause it to be unsatable in the front? I know I wasnt very relaxed. New shock, new tires, new master cylinder that the lever was a few clicks to far out.

being heavy on the bars through a turn is bad. by weighting the bars, you are not letting the forks do their job. i'm pretty sure you've heard it before...but you should be able to let go of the handlebars when going through the turn. the only thing your hands for are to control the throttle, brake, clutch. nothing more.

nothing wrong with the lever being far out either.
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Appreciate the help! Some stuff for me to try to pay more attention to next time
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Appreciate the help! Some stuff for me to try to pay more attention to next time
If you were running in b group, then I was right behind you when you crashed. I remember you passing me then I see you high in the air.
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you left some nice marks on the track with your pegs 2
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If you were running in b group, then I was right behind you when you crashed. I remember you passing me then I see you high in the air.
LOL

Did I get some air or what? I remember sliding then tumbling.. i thought i was pretty much done tumbling but I kept going and going i was thinkin "man when am i going to stop"... i had a hella head ache after that
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you left some nice marks on the track with your pegs 2
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Did I get some air or what? I remember sliding then tumbling.. i thought i was pretty much done tumbling but I kept going and going i was thinkin "man when am i going to stop"... i had a hella head ache after that
you got some air time in. glad you walk away from it.
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The first laps always get ya. Best to wait until a whole session before turning it up to race pace.

I think you are way too upright and that is why you are dragging peg and boot. Get off the bike. Minis help you learn this. I've never had clearance problems on any supersport bike, even with stock rearsets. But then again, I'm not that fast. But I do hang off like a monkey.
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1. Don't pick up the pace until at least the 3rd lap (IMHO)

2. Like Tony said, gotta get the "chin over fist" in a tight turn like that. By that point in that turn, I'm usually looking way further ahead.

3. If you get off the bike more in that tight corner, weight your outside peg, you'll get more traction and the bike will turn better without scraping the pegs/ toe sliders as bad. Getting off the bike more really will help control the tighter turns and help prevent low-sides.

There are a couple of other reasons, but likely it was cold track/ tires, combined with washing out the front or too much throttle/ poor throttle control.

Sorry you lost it there, you have joined the club with about 3 other folks in that corner that day!
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