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Old 09-12-2007, 03:42 PM   #41
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After reading up on the guy, he owns a company worth ~500k. Rich man in a hurry.

We did have a Constitutional right somewhere about being innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. Along with the right to face our accusers.

I guess businesses have the right to assume we are guilty until proven innocent. Why they should be able to do that is beyond me; however, it is the power that has been granted to them.

Facing our accusers seems to have gone out with the invention of the stop-light cameras.

What rights do we lose next?
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I'm surprised this hasn't happened to me. When I leave Fry's I refuse to wait in the bag inspection line after having already waiting in line to make my purchase. I will show my stuff if/when they follow me, but i just hold it out and don't stop walking.. I make them walk with me. They get , but fugg them.. I didn't steal chit!
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Old 09-12-2007, 07:12 PM   #45
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I understand the opinions expressed here but in this guys situation; COME ON! He is with his siblings and why does he have to put them through that situation? He can stand for his principles, thats fine, but to make a big hoopla and put kids through something tramatic for them is not worth it. bite the bullet, show the freakin receipt and he could of been on his way. just my .02
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Old 09-12-2007, 07:24 PM   #46
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I understand the opinions expressed here but in this guys situation; COME ON! He is with his siblings and why does he have to put them through that situation? He can stand for his principles, thats fine, but to make a big hoopla and put kids through something tramatic for them is not worth it. bite the bullet, show the freakin receipt and he could of been on his way. just my .02
I feel this guy was right. he stood up for what was right no matter what. just cause his family is there, doesn't mean that he shouldn't have rights, or they shouldn't learn from this as well. If we don't teach the next generation to stand up for what is right then who will. tramatic events change your life, maybe they wont take in there life now. and I don't see your brother/uncle going to jail as a tramatic experince. its not like anyones lives were in danger. If the pope was with me when that happened the pope would see me go to jail. thats all im sayn. when your civil libertys are violated, you stand up to it no matter what. if not you become sheep.
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Old 09-12-2007, 07:26 PM   #47
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Old 09-12-2007, 09:53 PM   #48
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Old 09-13-2007, 12:20 PM   #49
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in TX you do have to show driver's license or state ID card. Its the law. It was tested in west TX by a man that said he refused to reveal his drivers license under his 5th amendment privilege against self incrimination. the supreme court didnt' buy it and held that citizens have to show their ID to law enforcement.
Probably lost on the argument using the 5th amendment. There is no law requiring an individual to have a driver's license or state ID card, people get them for the convenience and the priveliges associated with them. The argument better stands that if I am not exercising my conveniences or priveliges with them I have no need to show my license.

The court would be hard pressed to find it self-incrimination by simply identifying oneself. Identifying oneself is not in anyway incriminating of any actions one may or may not have done other than the action of obtaining an identification card.
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I just thought about something. I guess I wouldn't have a problem with this store policy if they had this sign REAL BIG when you walk in.

"Best Buy Will Check Your Stuff When You Leave Like a Common Criminal
IF you don't like our policy you can kiss our big corporation "

for some reason I bet their sales would drop just a bit. One more thing Best Buy if I am going to steal something I aiin't stickin it in the bag it will be by my . Want to search there? What a bunch of morons.
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One more thing Best Buy if I am going to steal something I aiin't stickin it in the bag it will be by my . Want to search there? What a bunch of morons.
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:15 PM   #52
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Old 09-26-2007, 01:25 PM   #53
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FYI - The texas law:

TX Penal Code: Sec. 38.02. Failure to Identify.

(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally refuses to give his name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has lawfully arrested the person and requested the information.

(b) A person commits an offense if he intentionally gives a false or fictitious name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has:

(1) lawfully arrested the person;

(2) lawfully detained the person; or

(3) requested the information from a person that the peace officer has good cause to believe is a witness to a criminal offense.

(c) Except as provided by Subsection (d), an offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor.

(d) If it is shown on the trial of an offense under this section that the defendant was a fugitive from justice at the time of the offense, the offense is a Class B misdemeanor.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1987, 70th Leg., ch. 869, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1987. Acts 1991, 72nd Leg., ch. 821, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1991; Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.

Ed. Note: Here's what this law means in plain English.
(1) You don't have to carry a driver's license or other ID, if you're not driving.
(2) If you've been arrested you have to give your name, address, and date of birth to a police officer who requests it. (They'll police ask you for lots more than this, but these three items are all you're legally required to give them.)
(3) If you've just been detained, not arrested, you don't have to give thm squat. But refusing to identify might cause them to arrest you anyway and take you downtown so they can determine who you really are. If this happens, you still won't be charged with failing to carry ID, because there is no such crime.
(4) It's a crime to give false information about your identity, whether you've been arrested or just detained..

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I understand the opinions expressed here but in this guys situation; COME ON! He is with his siblings and why does he have to put them through that situation? He can stand for his principles, thats fine, but to make a big hoopla and put kids through something tramatic for them is not worth it. bite the bullet, show the freakin receipt and he could of been on his way. just my .02
You're insane...I hope the siblings grow up and understand that you have to fight for your rights even in a free country. Abuse of stupid police authority is rampant nowadays...
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I still think that he could have gotten paid.

Yeah frivolous lawsuits suck, but.....

He does say that he dropped his claim primarily with the interest of his family in mind.
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Just one more in a long line of reasons why I will never buy anything from Best Buy.
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