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Old 09-11-2007, 10:16 PM   #21
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That's great, still doesn't make it required.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:33 PM   #22
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Not sure if some of you guys know, but it is illegal in Texas to not have a helmet on unless you have the MSF course. (There may be another exemption also, but can't remember.) Anyone know?

A cop awhile back told me that it is illegal, but the fine is so little (like 50$ or some ) that noone bothers with it.
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Not true. Exemption sticker is optional.
not it isnt. you can get a ticket w/o one.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:39 PM   #24
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i was talkin to a old guy with a harley today and he said "helmets are for kids"
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:40 PM   #25
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not it isnt. you can get a ticket w/o one.
Noooo. You can get stopped and they can check your credentials to make sure you can't wear one. The $2 sticker IS optional, but if you get pulled over you just have to prove that you are exempt from wearing one by A.) showing your insurance coverage(with minimum health coverage, I forget the exact number) or B.) Have your msf card with you.
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my dad never wore one until he crashed and his harley bounced off his head...he then was a firm believer..
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Noooo. You can get stopped and they can check your credentials to make sure you can't wear one. The $2 sticker IS optional, but if you get pulled over you just have to prove that you are exempt from wearing one by A.) showing your insurance coverage(with minimum health coverage, I forget the exact number) or B.) Have your msf card with you.
Correct. Insurance needs to show you're covered for at least $10k.
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i agree. we're training a new manager at my job. anyhow i was like where is your helmet. and hes like i dont need one. anything over 30mph its not going to help anyways!
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I was having this dicussion with a friend, & he phrased it in a way that made perfect sense to me.


What would you think if you saw a player running onto the field in an NFL game without his helmet on?

Those guys wear helmets because they know for a fact that they're going to have collisions where they hit their head. Those big "kids" put on their helmets so they don't get hurt & they're doing like 10mph & falling on grass.

Sooo..... Unless You can guarantee that you're not going to crash riding without a helmet makes about as much sense as an NFL player who's going to "put his hands out" to stop from hitting his head rather than wearing a
helmet.

Until they outlaw bad drivers, cars that leak, & freak accidents, I think I'll take the helmet.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:51 PM   #30
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ask him where he gets those facts? cuz he;s wrong.

ask him to run into a brick wall w/o lid.......
funny you of all people should ask that, he told me they were on the motorcycle safety foundation website!
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Sheesh ok folx, it's NOT hard to find....

TRC §661.003.

OFFENSES RELATING TO NOT WEARING PROTECTIVE HEADGEAR.

(a) A person commits an offense if the person:

(1) operates or rides as a passenger on a motorcycle on a public street or highway; and

(2) is not wearing protective headgear that meets safety standards adopted by the department.

(b) A person commits an offense if the person carries on a motorcycle on a public street or highway a passenger who is not wearing protective headgear that meets safety standards adopted by the department.

(c) It is an exception to the application of Subsection (a) or (b) that at the time the offense was committed, the person required to wear protective headgear was at least 21 years old and had successfully completed a motorcycle operator training and safety course under Chapter 662 or was covered by a health insurance plan providing the person with at least $10,000 in medical benefits for injuries incurred as a result of an accident while operating or riding on a motorcycle .

(d) The Department of Public Safety shall issue a sticker to a person who:

(1) applies to the department on a form provided by the department;

(2) provides the department with evidence satisfactory to the department showing that the person:

(A) is the owner of a motorcycle that is currently registered in this state; and

(B) has successfully completed the training and safety course described by Subsection (c) or has the insurance coverage described by that subsection; and

(3) pays a fee of $5 for the sticker .

(e) A person may apply to the Department of Public Safety for a sticker for each motorcycle owned by the applicant.

(f) A sticker issued by the Department of Public Safety under Subsection (d) expires on the third anniversary of the date of issuance.

(g) A person operating or riding as a passenger on a motorcycle that displays on the license plate of the motorcycle or the license plate mounting bracket a sticker issued by the Department of Public Safety under Subsection (d) is presumed to have successfully completed the training and safety course described by Subsection (c) or to have the insurance coverage described by that subsection.

(h) An offense under this section is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not less than $10 or more than $50.

(i) In this section, "health insurance plan" means an individual, group, blanket, or franchise insurance policy, insurance agreement, evidence of coverage, group hospital services contract, health maintenance organization membership, or employee benefit plan that provides benefits for health care services or for medical or surgical expenses incurred as a result of an accident.

TRC §661.004.

AUTHORITY OF PEACE OFFICER TO INSPECT PROTECTIVE HEADGEAR.

Any peace officer may stop and detain a person who is a motorcycle operator or passenger to inspect the person's protective headgear for compliance with the safety standards prescribed by the department.

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Helmets and Passengers. Helmets meeting the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard #218 (FMVSS-218) are required for a motorcycle operators and passengers. Persons at least 21 years old are exempt from wearing a helmet is they have completed a Department-approved motorcycle operator training course or they are covered with at least $10,000 in medical insurance. Persons operating or riding upon a motorcycle with a helmet exemption sticker displayed are presumed to meet the helmet exemption requirements.

Neither of these state that the insurance 'proves' the 10k coverage (however I do recall reading somewhere...that most medical insurances policies cover at LEAST 10k+)
Now various locales around tx are reporting that there are officers still ticketing people for not having 'proof' despite their being compliant. From what I can tell they've all been thrown out, when the riders have show up for court.
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Old 09-12-2007, 07:53 AM   #33
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wrd, my father didnt have one on when he wrecked.... beacuse of it, since age 3 Ive been fatherless.
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Old 09-12-2007, 09:02 AM   #35
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Helmet law wouldn't bother me b/c I always wear my helmet. As for the survey that found x percent of riders would stop riding if forced to wear a helmet...i really don't care b/c I, along with many others, will still be riding. I figure those who do stop riding don't actually love to ride.
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I'm ALL for helmets, and wear one ANYWHERE I go. I don't want someone telling me I have to though.
+1 first response was the correct one
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Old 09-12-2007, 09:28 AM   #37
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wrd, my father didnt have one on when he wrecked.... beacuse of it, since age 3 Ive been fatherless.
Point made! Quit thinking of yourselves and think of those you'd leave behind should you a) die or b) become a vegetable. I would just love the thought of my wife wiping my for me cause I was too cool to wear a helmet and wadded me and my bike up.
I've been to the Major Trauma Unit at a hospital and will say that it scared the sheeeeee-ite out me. (Another story for another time)
That said...the rule at my house is - the helmet goes on before swinging a leg over the bike for a ride. PERIOD! I wear protective gear and a helmet. I've bounced off the ground on a recent stupidity ride and will say the stuff works for a reason. $500 bucks for repairs and I'm back and riding again.
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Point made! Quit thinking of yourselves and think of those you'd leave behind should you a) die or b) become a vegetable. I would just love the thought of my wife wiping my for me cause I was too cool to wear a helmet and wadded me and my bike up......
Therefore YOU should make the conscious decision to wear one.

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I can't help but laugh at some of the reasons for not wearing a helmet listed above.
This is proving to me why the government has to impose these safety laws. People are just not smart enought o make the right choice, so the government has to do it for them.
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I can't help but laugh at some of the reasons for not wearing a helmet listed above.
This is proving to me why the government has to impose these safety laws. People are just not smart enought o make the right choice, so the government has to do it for them.



so since we cant decide for our selves whats safe

lets start a law that out laws unsafe bikes (all of them)
oh and take away all the guns
and 4 wheelers

and scooters those dangerous little bastards
oh and roller coasters

oh and our Dicks cause who knows what we can do with them!!!



One thing leads to another, yes maybe they wont confiscate our genitalia but everything else that is fun (but dangerous)
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