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View Poll Results: best caliber for personal protection
9mm 11 19.64%
.357 2 3.57%
.22 2 3.57%
.40 22 39.29%
.45 17 30.36%
other - specify 2 3.57%
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Old 09-07-2007, 09:22 PM   #21
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I have a 38, 9, 40, and 45. My favorite to carry by far is my glock 23 which is a .40. The rest I keep at home. The glock is light as and small enough that you can conceal it just about anywhere.
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I carry a Taurus pt 24/7 pro in .40, pretty concealable and holds 16 rounds. i like it
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#1 Whats dee-bo?
#2 Since the military uses 9mm, wouldn't the overseas thing make it go up more than a non-military round?


Whatever you get, buy a lot and practice often.
1. Dee-bo- I am guessing it's a reference to the big guy in the movie Friday.
2. Military is getting away from 9mm and going to .40
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Old 09-08-2007, 12:01 AM   #24
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When life comes down to it..........any bullet is better then no bullet even .22 lr. First you want to look at is what type of weapon will you carry. Depending on that they might have different size guns in the respective caliber. moving forward, get the caliber you can handle the best....a shot that hit its target is better then missed. I will say that 9mm are known for not putting some people down (personal experience)but of course you can buy different type of ammo.
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One I can hit things with. I'm more of a shot placement kinda guy.
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i have a glock 40 it is nice but not comfy while on bike i carry my keltec 380 when on bike it is light and cant be seen the glock shoots nice but bulky and heavy i alco have an tarus p247 9mm real nice it holds 17 plus one in chamber but also not comfy on bike.so buy two guns one while on bike and the other for when your not.
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You know, the gun and extra ammo get real heavy. It is a pain in the a$$ packing it around. I like the Walther .380 ACP with 90 gr Hydrashok rounds. Keep is small and lite.
You read in the magazines that 9mm and .380 don't have enough stopping power to be useful. Think of these two things first:
1. Our boys in Iraq aren't screaming for a replacement for the Baretta because any gun in a gun fight is the correct answer.
2. Look at all the US service men in WW2 that lost their lives to German officers carring a Walther .380 as the issue side arm.


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My daily carries are a .45 Kimber Ultra Raptor that will fit in my pocket, and a 4" XD .40 that's a little harder to conceal but is still workable.

I can put either weapon into 2" groups at 10 yards, and am comfortable that either one will take down a BG with 1 or 2 well placed shots.

Just as important as caliber is your ability to get good shot groupings in a kill zone.

Small pistols are nice, but can you grip the weapon properly?

With 9mm and .40 cal, will you have back stop issues?

With even smaller calibers will you have penetration issues if the BG has heavy clothing?

Whatever weapon you choose, I recommend going to the range regularly and shooting in more than just the standard position. That way, if you ever have to use the weapon, you'll be comfortable doing so in other situations than just range shotting.
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come on you shoot someone with a 9 i dont think they are going to say "oh thats just a 9mm that didn't hurt"

Maybe not, but if they have a weapon also, a 9mm sometimes won't take them down immediately, allowing them to get a shot off at you.

I have shot people / seen people shot with a 9mm while in the military, and trust me, it doesn't have the knock down power of the .40 or .45.
I prefer the people I shoot not be able to shoot back once I've hit them.


Granted, I wouldn't want to be shot by a .22, BUT the question isn't "does it hurt?" of course it does, the question is, can the average gun owner put a BG down with one or 2 shots? In that case, I want my sidearm to have a caliber that starts with a "4".

My 2 cents, YMMV.
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I have a 38, 9, 40, and 45. My favorite to carry by far is my glock 23 which is a .40. The rest I keep at home. The glock is light as and small enough that you can conceal it just about anywhere.
+1 glock 23.
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i carry a kimber .45 or a colt commander 9mm as my carry gun but its not practical for alot of people. my back up is a snubnose 357 and a keltec 380 thats in the visor of my van. its all about preferance now. imho 40 is a worthless round . +p 9mm are capable of the power it puts out and if you wanna shoot +p .40 rounds might as well get a .45 also if i was set and something in "between" 9 and 45 i'd get a .357 sig in a heartbeat. the auto version of the 357 mag (which is prolly the best man stopper round ever made.but like i said is all about perferance. if you like to shoot alot get a 9mm or a 45. you like revo's get a 357 mag. want 357 mag "like" power get a 357 sig. i wont ever recommend a 40 cause there is just better bullet styles out there(i hate semi wad cutters). also the pressure in the chambers to high unless u shot standard ammo, no +p or +p+ carry stuff.
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Maybe not, but if they have a weapon also, a 9mm sometimes won't take them down immediately, allowing them to get a shot off at you.

I have shot people / seen people shot with a 9mm while in the military, and trust me, it doesn't have the knock down power of the .40 or .45.
I prefer the people I shoot not be able to shoot back once I've hit them.


My 2 cents, YMMV.
military ammo is . there is more ammo available for the 9mm that make the power factor as high as the .40 . 147 grain +p 9mm is what i carry and have 147 grain +p+ that im going to try. id put t=either of those rounds against military ball .45 to see what works better . you cant comapre the military to the ammo that availible for us to use.
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You know, the gun and extra ammo get real heavy. It is a pain in the a$$ packing it around. I like the Walther .380 ACP with 90 gr Hydrashok rounds. Keep is small and lite.
You read in the magazines that 9mm and .380 don't have enough stopping power to be useful. Think of these two things first:
1. Our boys in Iraq aren't screaming for a replacement for the Baretta because any gun in a gun fight is the correct answer.
2. Look at all the US service men in WW2 that lost their lives to German officers carring a Walther .380 as the issue side arm.


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actually they are ... we turned the m9 in for the 1911 when i was there. military ball ammo sucks cant compare what they use in war. .380 is a weak round . germans learned if the killed a guy they let him lay they shot a guy 2 guys would carry him off so 3 where out. thats why they use the 38 caliber rounds.
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the glock 19,23,32,38 are all the same size the 38 having a slightly wider slide but same frame.
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One I can hit things with. I'm more of a shot placement kinda guy.
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Ok, listen up. This is a pretty common discussion with everyone giving some good input. Some of this input is from law enforcement or millitary, some from civilians, everyone has different ideas. many of these are based on facts, many are thouse lawyers repeating things they have heard. Here is the bullet sizing chart, for those who don't actually know what is coming out of there guns.
http://www.genitron.com/Ammunition/Ammo.html

notice that the .380, the 9mm, the .40 and the the .357 are the same EXACT bullet. Yup. it's the cartridge that is different. Hence, higher velocity rounds behave more like their bigger (supposedly) counterparts. Choose your ammo properly!!!!!!!! Look at expansion rates, FPS #'s. What the does this mean?

It means round placement will always beat round displacement. A shot thru the heart with a 9mm will stop someone just as fast as a shot through the heart with a .22. How each round penetrates outside clothing and body mass, and what the round does upon entering (expansion, deflection) is the mystery debate. If you asked me "I'm going to shoot you right in the belly with a .22 or a .38, what's it gonna be?" I'm choosing the .38 cuz the .22 is a much higher velocity round that will bounce around like a pinball doing all kinds of damage. I may be oversimplifying a little but you get it.
I carry a Bersa .380 ( I know, but it's a really good gun, shoots better than any Walther or Colt or other mini I've tried and was very surprised!) in the car/pocket, a .22 auto (taurus- thought I'd NEVER own one EVER) in the sock, and a .40 Sig for home defense. Unless I have time to grab one of several shotguns, a sniper rifle (from my LEO days) or a mini 14 by the bed.
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