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Old 08-30-2007, 09:31 PM   #1
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Tires for trackdays???

I am looking into buying a CBR f2 for a trackbike. On the street I have been running the Bridgestone 012ss, I also did 1 track day on a set of them and was not dissapointed. But with this new bike it is going to be a track only bike so would it be best for me to move to a less street oriented tire... something like the 002 race tire or the michelins.
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I'd recommend the BT002 tack day tires.
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you will not need a race tire as soon as you start.
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bt002 racing street i believe it's called. should be equivalent to pilot power 2cts

todd (pre-k) is running those right now, you might wanna PM him and see what he thinks of em.
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do the 002 require warmers?? and what kinda of life should I get out of them? is life determind by heat cycles or more just useage?
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Everyone's tire wear is going to vary, but the Bridgestones last longer than any brand out there right now, and unlike a few of the other brands (like Pirelli and Michelin), they stay as sticky worn as they do when they're new. Pirelli and Michelin don't last near as long, and both of them get worse as they wear. The Bridgestones can run all the way to the wear indicators (and I've taken them further, 'cause I'm po) and stay sticky as HAIL!

Warmers are a controversial subject. The "trackday" or "street/ track" tires typically don't need warmers. , in my opinion, I don't think any tires other than slicks really need warmers. But there is the school of thought that using warmers will increase the life. Likely, that only applies to race rubber.

I like to use warmers just because I have more confidence when I use them. I also tend to believe that they extend the life due to decreasing the number of heat cycles.

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No tire "requires" warmers. Warmers will increase tire life through limiting heat cycles, but you will be fine without them.
The 002 racing streets are good if your riding both street & track, but for dedicated trackbikes I usually advise people to go ahead and get the BT002 Pro's. The cost is not much more and you get a true race/track tire. Again warmers are not required, but eventually you may want to pick up a set.

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thanks alot for the quick help!
one more question I see that the 002 come in different compounds. I assume that I would want a medium?? right?
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compound depends on weather....

right now, i would say a hard front, hard rear
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It depends on weather (temp) and your pace(speed). I try to select compounds for my customers based on thier indivisual needs. Call me or PM me and I can get you headed in the right direction.

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I just put whatever the tire pimp above this post gives me for compounds. He knows!
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the street/race are great tires, i did about 10 trackdays on them before they gave in to Oak hill. they still had some life in them but not enough for me to trust them at race pace with a yellow shirt on. i was just making sure that would not be a reason i crashed. evan with new race rubber i was sliding all over at OHR. it was more of a confidence move on my part. go with the 002's you will not be able to ride beyond the grip of the tire.
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While warmers aren't 100% necessary, they do help keep heat cycles down, thereby increasing tire life and traction consistency thoughout the life of the tire.
In my experiences, warmers will pay for themselves over time with increased tire life, let alone the cost of crashing on cold tires.
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on F2 you really should be running 160s on the rear. We have raced F2 for 2 seasons, and bike handled alot better with 160s that a bigger (wider rear). So as far as B-stone you are limited with 090 (John correct me if I am wrong). 090 is a great tire anyway.

I will try bridgestone slicks next time though.
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The 250GP slicks are terrific, but not necessary unless you're running endurance (so that it wears longer). The 090 is a great tire, and works just fine- I think it's the best tire out there all around. I think the people that complain about it being "dated" since it's been around for a while in that configuration are silly.
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John recommended the 002 pros with a 180 set up he seemed to think that the bike would do fine..... does anyone know any different?
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Can you fit a 180. Yes. Should you run one. It's up to you.

I've endurance raced an F2 for 2 seasons and at first we were running 180s on the rear, however the bike would never handle right. Then one time pirelli didn't have the right tire for us, and we ended up putting a 160 Bridgestone and that transformed the bike. We've stuck with that tire until the demise of the bike.

I think a 160 is an OEM tire for an F2. I think F3 switched to 170 (or maybe still 160).
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The 250GP slicks are terrific, but not necessary unless you're running endurance (so that it wears longer). The 090 is a great tire, and works just fine- I think it's the best tire out there all around. I think the people that complain about it being "dated" since it's been around for a while in that configuration are silly.
The 090 is a great tire. On a smaller bike it sticks like glue. I never had it step out on the SV on a clean track. At MSRH I can run one for about 6 hours, which is almost 2 track days. I wish it would last a little longer (like another hour or so), but that's still really good. I wanted to get full 2 track days out of one. I talked to John and he mentioned the 250 slicks and said that they may last little longer. I want to try.
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I have a couple of classic racers running 180 rears on f2's and they seem to like it. I am not sure if they moddifed the rear wheel or not, but they consistently win on that set-up. Mark Kline (expert) & Gil Epperson(novice) both run this set-up.
The bike was originally built with a 160 rear tire though. We may be discussing something that comes down to preference. I say if the 180 fits, you must aquite(sp?)

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BTW Oskar, the slick will last much longer than the 090. I've seen them go 8hr at TWS (Texas World Speedway), and then a trackday or two after that. It certainly depends on your pace, but no matter what it will last longer than the BT 090.
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I've seen them go 8hr at TWS (Texas World Speedway), and then a trackday or two after that.
Yeah, on our bike, Luke's bike, Ronnie's bike- all of us ran the 8 hour with tire left for track days- Ronnie's team and ours posted 1st place finishes in class too for that race in different years.

We ran the 8 hour on 090's too, and they lasted for the race. Of course that year we only had about 6.5 hours of green flag racing, but they lasted just fine. Well, they were done, and we could maaaybe get half a track day on them, but our lap times were just as fast in hour 8 as hour 1.

I'm surprised you only got 6 hours on new tires at the Houston track. I've run 6 or so hours at that track on take-off 090's before without any issue. We've run the 6 hour at Cresson on 090's (and won) without any issues.

IRRC, a lot of the CBRf2 guys are running f3 wheels because the f3 wheel is 5" wide, while the f2 is a 4.5- which should use the 160. Correct me if I'm wrong on this John, but the 4.5 wheel will pinch the 180 tire too much.
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