MotoHouston.com MotoHouston.com
Register Members List Member Map Media Calendar Garage Forum Home Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MotoHouston.com > General Discussion > General Discussion (Moto Related)
Forgot info?

Welcome to MotoHouston.com! You are currently viewing our forums as a guest which gives you limited access to the community. By joining our free community you will have access to great discounts from our sponsors, the ability to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content, free email, classifieds, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, join our community!

Register Today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.


FREE MH Decals by MAIL!

Advertisement

Reply
Share This Thread: 
Subscribe to this Thread Thread Tools
Old 11-19-2007, 01:39 PM   #81
MadseasoN
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: 77002
Feedback Rating: (1)
Posts: 5,603

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 10+











Quote:
Originally Posted by NoFear View Post
http://blogs.chron.com/cityhall/arch...ne_redlig.html

Red-light cameras are all about raising more revenue, critics charge. But "there's growing proof that that complaint is off base," Governing magazine reports this month:

After Sioux Falls, South Dakota, installed red-light cameras at a key intersection, it saw its revenue from tickets for red-light infractions plummet....

Sioux Falls' fiscal experience with red-light cameras isn't unusual. In 2002, a California state auditor's report found that only two of seven cities studied were netting much money from their red-light camera programs.

As more and more localities install red-light cameras--a decade ago, only a handful of communities had them, but now there are more than 200--the revenue concerns are spreading. Just in the past few months, the subject has come up in Mesa, Arizona; Springfield, Missouri; and Garland, Texas.


I haven't checked the Houston Police Department figures lately, but there was some slim evidence a few months ago that the numbers of citations might level off. That was before the department added another 20 cameras, however.

I'm curious: If the cameras don't produce huge profits for the city, should they still be "controversial"?

The City cannot have a valid complaint about the Red-Light program regardless of revenue.

Here's why:
They will not openly confess that the RL cams are for Revenue generation. They claimed the cameras were implemented to cut down on accidents. If accidents at those intersection actually DO decrease due to the cameras then they are serving their purpose. If it gets to the point of costing the city money instead of revenue generation then they'll have to eat crow and either do away with the system or raise the fine amount.
MadseasoN is offline   Reply With Quote
Similar Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Red light pester Fresnel Phan Attorney At Law 4 12-03-2013 07:47 PM
Schlitz, Wine coolers, Boone's, MD 20/20, Malt Liquor, Miller Light, Bud Light... Helios Off Topic 32 03-05-2012 06:12 PM
why wouldn't you support red light cams? craigntx Off Topic 70 09-15-2010 07:16 AM
Red Light Cameras to Catch Illegal Turns Pat General Discussion (Moto Related) 58 10-10-2007 08:40 AM
Red Light Cams! MACK Off Topic 23 08-30-2006 01:26 AM
Advertisement
Old 11-19-2007, 01:45 PM   #82
RACER X
what R you lookin' at?
 
RACER X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Richmond, Tx
Feedback Rating: (26)
Posts: 33,499

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 8

Bike(s):
'14 Honda GROM! 181cc of fury!!
'10 Aprilia Tuono Factory-SOLD
'08 Busa - sold
A few more bought
A few more sold






the atty that took the city to court over the legality of the camera's, LOST in local courts

we'll see if he goes to a higher court.
__________________
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
2014 GROM
181cc's BABY!
Trump/Zimmerman 2016
Make America Great Again!
RACER X is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2007, 01:55 PM   #83
FJRmgm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Omaha, Arkansas USA Motorcycling Paradise
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 1,995

Experience: 10+ years

Bike(s):
Yamaha FJR 1300
Honda CBR 954RR
Yamaha WR250R







Quote:
Originally Posted by RACER X View Post
the atty that took the city to court over the legality of the camera's, LOST in local courts

we'll see if he goes to a higher court.
yeah, but that fool did not do a valid test for the courts - he ran a red light in front of a cop and they ticketed him. It was on TV.
FJRmgm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2007, 02:11 PM   #84
RACER X
what R you lookin' at?
 
RACER X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Richmond, Tx
Feedback Rating: (26)
Posts: 33,499

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 8

Bike(s):
'14 Honda GROM! 181cc of fury!!
'10 Aprilia Tuono Factory-SOLD
'08 Busa - sold
A few more bought
A few more sold






he got a 2nd one. on camera.
__________________
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
2014 GROM
181cc's BABY!
Trump/Zimmerman 2016
Make America Great Again!
RACER X is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2007, 02:29 PM   #85
gixxerbill
Senior Member
 
gixxerbill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: North Corpus Christi
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 6,565

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
K5 GSXR 1000
2008 Goldwing 1832 cc
Bourget Low Blow Chopper







Corpus Christi netted $366,000 off the redlight cameras in October. I don't mind this so much but I will be danged if I let them put a GPS in car or bike to regulate speed.
__________________
Sifu tz is the ultimate poser. He post on motohouston without owning a bike and he posts the corvette forum without owning a vette.... = LOSER!
gixxerbill is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2007, 02:40 PM   #86
NorthHoustonGSXR
Yes I do.
 
NorthHoustonGSXR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Kingwood Texas
Feedback Rating: (5)
Posts: 3,993


Bike(s):
2006 GSX 600R
mystery bike
2000 CBR600F4 track only (SOLD)







i see someone run a read light every time I'm out driving or riding. Maybe they should use the revenue to clean up the debris in the highways....or fix the bridges that are just waiting to collapse.
__________________

xdng33m4iv
GOVERNMENT IS THE REAL MIDDLE MAN. COMMON BUSINESS PRACTICE IS TO ELIMINATE THE MIDDLE MAN.
NorthHoustonGSXR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 02:39 PM   #87
NoFear
Busa Chairman of Posing
 
NoFear's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Texas USA
Feedback Rating: (2)
Posts: 7,375












Local 2 Investigates Police Secrecy Behind Unmanned Aircraft Test

Great now they are going to use the unmanned aircraft/drones to write trafic tickets what next?

By Stephen Dean

POSTED: 9:03 am CST November 21, 2007


WALLER COUNTY, Texas -- Houston police started testing unmanned aircraft and the event was shrouded in secrecy, but it was captured on tape by Local 2 Investigates.

Neighbors in rural Waller County said they thought a top-secret military venture was under way among the farmland and ranches, some 70 miles northwest of Houston. KPRC Local 2 Investigates had four hidden cameras aimed at a row of mysterious black trucks. Satellite dishes and a swirling radar added to the neighbors' suspense.

Then, cameras were rolling as an unmanned aircraft was launched into the sky and operated by remote control.


Houston police cars were surrounding the land with a roadblock in place to check each of the dignitaries arriving for the invitation-only event. The invitation spelled out, "NO MEDIA ALLOWED."

HPD Chief Harold Hurtt attended, along with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and dozens of officers from various police agencies in the Houston area. Few of the guests would comment as they left the test site.

News Chopper 2 had a Local 2 Investigates team following the aircraft for more than one hour as it circled overhead. Its wings spanned 10 feet and it circled at an altitude of 1,500 feet. Operators from a private firm called Insitu, Inc. manned remote controls from inside the fleet of black trucks as the guests watched a live feed from the high-powered camera aboard the 40-pound aircraft.

"I wasn't ready to publicize this," Executive Assistant Police Chief Martha Montalvo said. She and other department leaders hastily organized a news conference when they realized Local 2 Investigates had captured the entire event on camera.

"We still haven't even decided how we were going to go forward on this task, so it seemed premature to me to announce this to the media," Montalvo said. "But since, obviously, the media found out about it, then I don't see any reason why just not go forward with what we have so far."

Montalvo told reporters the unmanned aircraft would be used for "mobility" or traffic issues, evacuations during storms, homeland security, search and rescue, and also "tactical." She admitted that could include covert police actions and she said she was not ruling out someday using the drones for writing traffic tickets.
A large number of the officers at the test site were assigned to the department's ticket-writing Radar Task Force. Capt. Tom Runyan insisted they were only there to provide "site security," even though KPRC cameras spotted those officers heavily participating in the test flight.

Houston police contacted KPRC from the test site, claiming the entire airspace was restricted by the Federal Aviation Administration. Police even threatened action from the FAA if the Local 2 helicopter remained in the area. However, KPRC reported it had already checked with the FAA on numerous occasions and found no flight restrictions around the site, a point conceded by Montalvo.

HPD leaders said they would address privacy and unlawful search questions later.

South Texas College of Law professor Rocky Rhodes, who teaches the constitution and privacy issues, said, "One issue is going to be law enforcement using this and when, by using these drones, are they conducting a search in which they'd need probable cause or a warrant. If the drones are being used to get into private spaces and be able to view where the government cannot otherwise go, and to collect information that would not otherwise be able to collect, that's concerning to me."

HPD Assistant Chief Vickie King said of the unmanned aircraft, "It's interesting that privacy doesn't occur or searches aren't an issue when you have a helicopter pilot over you and it would not be used in airspace other than what our helicopters are used in already."

She admitted that police helicopters are not equipped with cameras nearly as powerful as the unmanned aircraft, but she downplayed any privacy concerns, saying news helicopters have powerful cameras as well.

HPD stressed it is working with the FAA on reviewing the technical specifications, the airworthiness and hazards of flying unmanned aircraft in an urban setting. Future test flights are planned.

The price tag for an unmanned aircraft ranges from $30,000 to $1 million each and HPD is hoping to begin law enforcement from the air by June of 2008 with these new aircraft.

If you have a news tip or question for KPRC Local 2 Investigates, drop them an e-mail or call their tipline at (713) 223-TIPS (8477).

Copyright 2007 by Click2Houston.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by melissa claire View Post
Busa club. why did you not mention that? that makes things all nice and peachy
Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths. When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength-
NoFear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 03:42 PM   #88
CLETUS
Jungle Racing
 
CLETUS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Cypress, TX
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 1,275












This is a perfect way for law enforcement to fleece the public. No overtime, no sick leave, no payroll tax or raises, just monthly maintenance costs to keep the system up and running.
An automated ticketing revenue generating system...
What will they think of next?

Flying drones in your neighborhood peeking through windows and catching you on thermal scans.

Reminds me of Minority Report where you are guilty before you commit a crime.
__________________
Only a biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window!
CLETUS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 03:46 PM   #89
Whorenet
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: NWC
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 8,903


Bike(s):
cbr600, cbrxx 1100 blackbird, kazuma 110 derty, springer forked 1/2 chopper...more to come









User is banned

.
Whorenet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-21-2007, 04:54 PM   #90
Diderich
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Clear Lake
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 600

Experience: 5 years
Trackdays: 2

Bike(s):
Sprint Ride Smart









So these things have been up for a while...have the accidents actually decreased?

Is the mechanism for accidents really that people are intentionally running lights or accidently running lights? Cameras would work for people who are intentionally running lights, but not for people who have their head up their . If they aren't aware enough to even notice the light, then they aren't aware enough to notice the camera.

My gut feel is that the oblivious drivers are causing the accidents and not the ones going through on "pink"...which would lead me to believe that this is indeed about revenue, not public safety. Even if the total income from red light citations goes down that income is coming in almost free. In other words, you don't have to pay a 50 cops to stalk 50 intersections for hours at a time for a handful of citations. You can pay 2 cops to shift through hundreds of violations in a few hours. Then you can pay your 48 other cops to go bring in revenue from other sources, like speeding. For a net gain in revenue.

You want to reduce accidents? Improve public transportation, research smarter, safer vehicles and encourage accountability for actions. Increase the punishments for CAUSING accidents. Find out what is REALLY causing accidents and address that...like the new red crosswalk lights they started putting in downtown, and the strobes in the red lights on red bluff. And stop passing all these nanny laws. The more we let the government "take care" of us, the more it breeds this culture of "its not wrong if I don't get caught", which in turn causes the unthinking majority to turn the screw down on any little loophole or freedom. It seems that we're so worried about the legal consequences of our actions that we've forgotten that there are OTHER consequences of our actions, like killing ourselves or other people. I don't care how stupid you are, you know the consequences of running a red light. And if you don't care if you die, or kill someone else...how is the government going to make you care? with an $80 fine? give me a break.
Diderich is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2007, 09:45 AM   #91
Diderich
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Clear Lake
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 600

Experience: 5 years
Trackdays: 2

Bike(s):
Sprint Ride Smart









Ha I answered my own question...from here

http://www.hro.house.state.tx.us/foc...light79-15.pdf

"In response to other studies that had been criticized for their simplicity or small sample sizes, the Urban Transit Institute at North Carolina A&T State University analyzed reported accidents at or near 303 intersections over a 57-month period that began more than two years before the introduction of red-light cameras. The October 2003 study, updated the following July, found that red-light cameras did not reduce crashes and that they may have led to increases in rear-end and other types of crashes. Accidents involving cars traveling in different directions did not change with the introduction of the cameras, according to the study. “In many ways,” the authors concluded, “the evidence points toward the installation of [red-light cameras] as a detriment to safety.”"
Diderich is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Advertisement


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:14 PM.


MotoHouston.com is not responsible for the content posted by users.
Privacy Policy