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Old 09-28-2007, 12:27 PM   #61
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September 28, 2007
Red-light cameras to city: You owe $16,425
The city's red-light camera program is supposed to increase safety at intersections, police say, by prompting "behavior modifications" in motorists.

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Clearly, some government workers aren't getting the message.

We reported last spring that more than 100 public vehicles, including police cruisers and school buses, were nabbed during the first five months the cameras were operational.

Not much has changed, according to records we've received under the Texas Public Information Act.

In the camera system's first year, more than 520 such vehicles have been cited, resulting in about $40,000 in fines, the records show. City vehicles were responsible for $16,425 of that (41%). The Houston Police Department, whose officers monitor the program, had the most citations: 103.

A few caveats:

We last examined this issue in March, when only 30 cameras were operational. There have been 50 cameras snapping photos since April, however. That's a 67-percent increase in the number of cameras, so it makes sense that more public vehicles would be cited during the latter half of the period we're examining.
Houston police officers might account for the highest total, some of them might've involved emergencies or other excusable circumstances. I should note, however, that citations aren't typically issued when police cruisers' lights are flashing.
Public employees are humans. They make mistakes and run red lights, just as more than 100,000 Houstonians have. In many cases, their agencies require them to pay the fines. They can even be fired for repeated violations.

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Old 09-28-2007, 01:06 PM   #62
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The bottom line is: it's best just to hit the brakes when the light turns yellow. It's simply safer overall, especially, from a Motorcyclist's POV, if the guy you t-bone is another motorcyclist.
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I am all for the cameras, on account of I don't run reds. Red light runner sux big ones. Esp if you have ever had someone you knew on a bike (or car for that matter) plowed by someone trying to shave that few minutes off by not getting stuck at a red.
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does the light know when you are running the light because you dont want to be run over by a drunk in a big truck? happened to me last saturday, and I saw the light flash
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I got a ticket like this once. The cop was sitting way on the other side of the fwy at a gas station. I argued (in court) that he couldnt see the line from that vantage point. I took pictures and everything. I know well the light was yellow when I went through it. I ended up winning the case. Ha.
that's tight, next time i get a ticket i'll call you to do my dirty work...lol
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just wondering, can these cameras tell how fast you are going?
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just wondering, can these cameras tell how fast you are going?
Consider, they take multiple pictures...
If distance from point a to point be is know, then can measure how far an object (ie: you) traveled and get a close estimate.
Sufficient to give speeding ticekt etc too...doubtful, but probably enough to help nail you if there is an accident.
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Consider, they take multiple pictures...
If distance from point a to point be is know, then can measure how far an object (ie: you) traveled and get a close estimate.
Sufficient to give speeding ticekt etc too...doubtful, but probably enough to help nail you if there is an accident.
that's what i was thinking. i was just wondering if they could use it for that purpose
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I just love coming to a very controlled stop (meaning I was nowhere near the point of no return for the yellow) and watching someone that was farther back than me run it and the flash go off. I giggle.

Actually, that brings up a question - I grew up in the northeast, so I don't know what drivers ed is like down here. Do they teach "the point of no return" and is it practiced? Does anyone ever practice on their own? (meaning you approach a light and actually time yourself from the point you WOULDN'T stop if it changed to yellow at that moment to the point you are safely accross to see if it's within the duration of a yellow)
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Old 09-28-2007, 05:54 PM   #69
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they just put them up at 59 and 1960 as well
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My wife drives my truck. She runs the light at post oak and west loop, and swears that it was yellow. The ticket comes to me because the registration is in my name, and i look at the pics and the video. She was in the wrong and it was a blatant running of a red light. I didn't feel sorry for her .

I chewed her out and made her cry, which was fine by me, but if you get a ticket from one of these things then you committed a violation. After she saw the evidence, she still wanted to deny it, which really me off. Sounds like some of the people here. When will folks just man up and take responsibility and stop making excuses.
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I've been driving motorcycles for over 7 years and i know how important it is to never run red lights and i never do it. This jackass in front of me slammed his brake in the middle of the intersection(for what reason i have no clue), and the camera picked me up(probably him too) cuz by the time we got out of the intersection the light was red.
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btw i'm for the cameras cuz i always get jittery going through a green light(is that just me?) People it seems have become so fuc%n stupid that not only they cant drive a vehicle properly but they've become so selfish that they dont realize the destruction running a red light can cause(especially some of these tanks that these dumba$$ soccer moms drive)
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...sometims, with some people. It DOES take a 2x4 and loose change.
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I WAS AWARE OF IT, THANKS FOR POINTING IT OUT.
I TOUGHT I COULD MAKE IT BUT I WAS ON A CRUISER BACK THEN... A COUPLE OF MILLISECONDS WOULD'VE TEACHNICALLY SPARED ME FROM PAYING $80 TO THE CITY.
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btw i'm for the cameras cuz i always get jittery going through a green light(is that just me?) People it seems have become so fuc%n stupid that not only they cant drive a vehicle properly but they've become so selfish that they dont realize the destruction running a red light can cause(especially some of these tanks that these dumba$$ soccer moms drive)
+1 big time, agreed, if I get a ticket for running my light I will be more than willing to pay it, speed cameras is one thing I dont agree with but red light cams is just plain obvious in my mind.
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I just love coming to a very controlled stop (meaning I was nowhere near the point of no return for the yellow) and watching someone that was farther back than me run it and the flash go off. I giggle.

Actually, that brings up a question - I grew up in the northeast, so I don't know what drivers ed is like down here. Do they teach "the point of no return" and is it practiced? Does anyone ever practice on their own? (meaning you approach a light and actually time yourself from the point you WOULDN'T stop if it changed to yellow at that moment to the point you are safely accross to see if it's within the duration of a yellow)
yes they do teach point of no return here, although I have to honestly say I would not have realised what they were talking about if I had not been listening rather closely that day, they didnt really stick to it very much where I went just liked to talk about how great their classes were. I always keep it in mind, wouldnt say I count seconds but aproching any light I judge my speed and suroundings based on if the light were to turn right then.
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Old 09-29-2007, 11:00 PM   #79
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Red-light cams no cash cow

http://blogs.chron.com/cityhall/arch...ne_redlig.html

Red-light cameras are all about raising more revenue, critics charge. But "there's growing proof that that complaint is off base," Governing magazine reports this month:

After Sioux Falls, South Dakota, installed red-light cameras at a key intersection, it saw its revenue from tickets for red-light infractions plummet....

Sioux Falls' fiscal experience with red-light cameras isn't unusual. In 2002, a California state auditor's report found that only two of seven cities studied were netting much money from their red-light camera programs.

As more and more localities install red-light cameras--a decade ago, only a handful of communities had them, but now there are more than 200--the revenue concerns are spreading. Just in the past few months, the subject has come up in Mesa, Arizona; Springfield, Missouri; and Garland, Texas.


I haven't checked the Houston Police Department figures lately, but there was some slim evidence a few months ago that the numbers of citations might level off. That was before the department added another 20 cameras, however.

I'm curious: If the cameras don't produce huge profits for the city, should they still be "controversial"?
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