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Old 08-17-2007, 11:07 AM   #21
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Shoot, you're telling me... I was racing someone else's bike in like my 2nd TMGP race ever. Needless to say the pucker factor was a solid 10.0. :laughing6
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Old 08-17-2007, 11:16 AM   #22
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it seems it would slow you (friction) more than anything. The only reason I could see doing it is to figure out where you are...
It doesn't slow me down any- if that amount of material on the ground slows you down, you've got other issues.

I use it as an indicator, like Steve and you mentioned. Just to see where I am in relation to the bike vs ground. Often times, my toe slider is the indicator where I am at the very edge of where I want to be.

Some corners, at some tracks, you're so far over that you have no choice but to drag a knee all the way around. The only choice is to move back on to the bike, because if you're off at all, you're draggin' a knee. Not too many of those corners, and I have only had that happen in racing situations where I'm racing at 9/10 potential.
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Old 08-17-2007, 11:27 AM   #23
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It doesn't slow me down any- if that amount of material on the ground slows you down, you've got other issues.

I use it as an indicator, like Steve and you mentioned. Just to see where I am in relation to the bike vs ground. Often times, my toe slider is the indicator where I am at the very edge of where I want to be.

Some corners, at some tracks, you're so far over that you have no choice but to drag a knee all the way around. The only choice is to move back on to the bike, because if you're off at all, you're draggin' a knee. Not too many of those corners, and I have only had that happen in racing situations where I'm racing at 9/10 potential.
Well I'm talking about constantly holding your knee to the ground in order to scrap the knee puck without such actually being necessary (you know, the guys that want to be able to brag that they are scraping knee). I realize in slower, tighter turns it may be necessary but I see folks doing it on sweepers and being that I'm hardly leaning off my bike, it often doesn't seem very necessary lol. Yea, if you are hittin your toe, that'd be a good indicator that you're pushing the limits of your tire. I remember hitting my peg a few times out on those country roads and that shyt is far from fun, disrupts the whole balance and nature of things (talk about suckin' up upholstery :eh. N e who, I've heard TWS (Texas World Speedway) is a good track for high speed corners and 1k's and the moment I get some leathers I think I'll be hopping on that one instead of MSR, at least at first. I DO want to try MSR though because of it's technical nature, I just imagine I'll be pretty slow so I'll hit that C group gladly...
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Old 08-17-2007, 11:28 AM   #24
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I love this track.
I hope to see it in place for years to come
I'm jealous...I neeeeeed leathers mane :eh:
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Old 08-17-2007, 11:39 AM   #27
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Well get you some bro!
Very soon, paying off other stuff first though...gonna be getting an Astars suit...was thinking about buying a beater suit just to be able to get out there but then again, I ain't skimping when it comes to protection...
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Very soon, paying off other stuff first though...gonna be getting an Astars suit...was thinking about buying a beater suit just to be able to get out there but then again, I ain't skimping when it comes to protection...
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Race TMGP a few years and you'll get used to racing close, haha.

Back in 04 I went into T1 at Katy with Jack Gieske (sp) and Logan Young on either side of me. I had my left elbow hitting the front of Jacks fairing and Logan was going around the outside with his knee dragging on the side of the NSR I was on...

I'll never forget that turn, it was CRAZY...
Did you see some of the picks this year of 7 deep going through T6 and T7 @ Katy?
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Your knee is for 2 things... Knowing where you are at on your tire and keeping the front end from tucking. Not always in that order.
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At TWS (Texas World Speedway) I think i only drag knee on 4 and horseshoe
+1....I found out about half way through the day you can carry quite a bit of speed through 4 and throughout the afternoon I found my knee "tapping" (as in I didn't just throw my knee down to have it down) the ground more often...I'm ready to ride TWS (Texas World Speedway) again....but I'll have to settle for Cresson first:icon_bigg

As for Robert, sounds like you are ready to make a move. As someone already suggested, if you get out there and not sure if it's where you belong ask a control rider to follow you and help with your decision.
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+1 .See that's what I'm talkin about...I've always wondered why folks sit there and try to stick their knee all the way out so they can scrap puck...it seems it would slow you (friction) more than anything. The only reason I could see doing it is to figure out where you are...I also hate when I see folks leaning themselves more than the stinkin' bike...you know the guy that is cocked all the way off the side of the bike but the bike is nearly completely vertical :laughing6
more body lean = less bike lean

means you can grab the throttle more. sometimes it's a good thing to have the bike as vertical as possible, you have more contact patch to work with.

but then there's those guys you are talking about, that are just SEARCHING for the ground with their knee.
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more body lean = less bike lean

means you can grab the throttle more. sometimes it's a good thing to have the bike as vertical as possible, you have more contact patch to work with.
...definately makes sense, I can see why someone would want more contact patch, but I know you get what I mean by what you said below...

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but then there's those guys you are talking about, that are just SEARCHING for the ground with their knee.
Yep, fuggin' hilarious to see it, almost like overcompensation, only NOT
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i know what you mean. i was one of them guys when i first started ridin the track. ALWAYS searchin for the ground. now i wish it doesn't touch down that often....pucks can get expensive.
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That'll probably be me...not much of a high speed in the str8's kinda guy, I'm too scared I'll carry too much speed into the turn
I am the same way! I don't haul a** through the straights, I like to take that time to catch my breath and set up for my next turn! But, 120 though the straights at MSRH can hardly be considered slow! Yet it is!!!!!!:laughing6:laughing6:laughing6
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i know what you mean. i was one of them guys when i first started ridin the track. ALWAYS searchin for the ground. now i wish it doesn't touch down that often....pucks can get expensive.
+1 but knees can save you, i saved myself from tucking in T2at OHR, it sucks when you feel the front sliding out and more weight coming onto your knee.
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Sounds to me like you need to be in B. It seems to me like you are very aware of your progress/learning curve and it would be a good move. Just remember B group has a big mix of skills/speed/idiocy.

The riders you'll find there are:
- those like you that need to step up and be in B
- some that need to be in C, but have too big of an ego to accept that
- those that are in B, but should really be in A (don't have to worry about these guys very much because they have good lines and don't pass agressively)
- those that are in B, but think they are hot and are johnny racer (they usually have bad lines, make bad passes, run off frequently, and are a lot of talk)
Yep.. totally agree.. I was in C for 3 to 4 times and was pretty quick.. then moved up to B twice and didn't like the stupid riders on it, then I moved back down to C and easily became one of the quickest guys again... then recently jumped to A... I got an advice from someone here that as long as I keep a clean line, which I can been doing ... I should be fine, the riders are so much faster that no one is actually holding me up and this is a great point...


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yeah, being stuffed on the inside of a turn especially when you are fully committed to the turn is not a cool feeling, since it's only a trackday....

i've had no choice but to do it to others sometimes as well....you gotta understand that, some people will enter a turn at a FASTER speed then you, and by the time they are right on your in a turn, and there's no room or time to move to the outside of a turn, they have no choice but to squeeze in. a nice wave or gesture of apology is usually given if it's a bit too close.
I got a few A ppl that waved at me but I didn't feel that I was stuffed... in fact, I was quite happy they did, so I can try different lines to improve my skills!

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i know what you mean. i was one of them guys when i first started ridin the track. ALWAYS searchin for the ground. now i wish it doesn't touch down that often....pucks can get expensive.
Yeah, I am one of the few guys that have given up on dragging knees.. I extend it out turn in and almost immediately tuck it in again and use body lean instead of bike lean
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I am the same way! I don't haul a** through the straights, I like to take that time to catch my breath and set up for my next turn! But, 120 though the straights at MSRH can hardly be considered slow! Yet it is!!!!!!:laughing6:laughing6:laughing6
yeap.. me too... i rather turn at 100mph than to go on the straight at 150mph!
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