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Old 08-17-2007, 10:29 AM   #1
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when do guys bump up to A or B groups?

Im still pretty new to the track scene, only 2 track days on my belt at TWS (Texas World Speedway). Even my first time there I was still being slowed down by slower riders, and same goes for the 2nd time I attended.

The 2nd time I was a little faster and actually got to drag some knee on the horse shoe.

I was wondering when people typically bumped up a group. I dont like C because of slower riders and the round robin at the beginning of the day.

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Old 08-17-2007, 10:33 AM   #2
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I bumped up to B when I felt that my speed was holding up my learning.
I kept getting caugt up to packs in C and had to wait or pull into hot pit for space. Now in B I have some quicker riders that help me pick up my pace by following their lines or finding new lines with their guidance.

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Old 08-17-2007, 10:36 AM   #3
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Just what I wanted to hear .. Ive did the LSTD riders school my first track day. Does the CMRA class give any useful info? or is that mainly just for getting a license?
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I think the CMRA class helped me alot.
Mostly with the Flags and understanding the grid etc...
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You need to jump groups, go to B group. You will get passed, but if you are fast enough to drag a knee. Then you should be fast and good enough for B. I was in C the first 2 times to the track. Now I am in B group, sounds like that is where you belong.

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this could be a wrong statement jet. i know some people who drag knee and still putt around the track.

and i know some people that are f'in fast....and barely drag their knee.





you can switch groups when you feel you are comfortable enough to do so. in every group, there will be some people that will hold you up. so don't let that be the reason why you switch groups. it's all about comfort.

B group will be a bit more fast paced, and you will be passed more often. so if you get spooked easily, B may not be the group for you until you are fast enough to not get passed by a landslide.

A group is even a faster paced group, and is an aggressive group at that. A group is not for the people who get spooked even a slight bit. i've gone into corners with my shoulder leaning against peoples legs. i've gotten bumped, and passing is a lot more aggressive than any other group. people will stuff you on the inside sometimes even when you are committed to your turn.

it's all about COMFORT. do what you think is right for you.
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Sounds to me like you need to be in B. It seems to me like you are very aware of your progress/learning curve and it would be a good move. Just remember B group has a big mix of skills/speed/idiocy.

The riders you'll find there are:
- those like you that need to step up and be in B
- some that need to be in C, but have too big of an ego to accept that
- those that are in B, but should really be in A (don't have to worry about these guys very much because they have good lines and don't pass agressively)
- those that are in B, but think they are hot and are johnny racer (they usually have bad lines, make bad passes, run off frequently, and are a lot of talk)
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Just what I wanted to hear .. Ive did the LSTD riders school my first track day. Does the CMRA class give any useful info? or is that mainly just for getting a license?
CMRA school will not teach you anything that has to do with riding.

it's mainly for license purposes. unless you wanna learn the flags you will never see on a trackday.
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One very important thing is, if you know how to hold your line then you will be ok in B group. However if you want, we can ask a control rider to follow you around for a few laps and he will tell you if you are ready for B group. We can bump you during the day.
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i know some people who drag knee and still putt around the track.

and i know some people that are f'in fast....and barely drag their knee.
That'll probably be me...not much of a high speed in the str8's kinda guy, I'm too scared I'll carry too much speed into the turn

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...A group is even a faster paced group, and is an aggressive group at that. A group is not for the people who get spooked even a slight bit. i've gone into corners with my shoulder leaning against peoples legs. i've gotten bumped, and passing is a lot more aggressive than any other group. people will stuff you on the inside sometimes even when you are committed to your turn.

it's all about COMFORT. do what you think is right for you.
That'd just about me off :BangHead:
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this could be a wrong statement jet. i know some people who drag knee and still putt around the track.

and i know some people that are f'in fast....and barely drag their knee.
+1... there are quite a few folks in B group who drag knees all day because of poor body positioning or bad lines.

I'm not superfast but last year was running consistent 2:01s at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and hardly ever dragged my knees. I've had the same pucks for over 2 years.
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That'll probably be me...not much of a high speed in the str8's kinda guy, I'm too scared I'll carry too much speed into the turn



That'd just about me off :BangHead:
yeah, being stuffed on the inside of a turn especially when you are fully committed to the turn is not a cool feeling, since it's only a trackday....

i've had no choice but to do it to others sometimes as well....you gotta understand that, some people will enter a turn at a FASTER speed then you, and by the time they are right on your in a turn, and there's no room or time to move to the outside of a turn, they have no choice but to squeeze in. a nice wave or gesture of apology is usually given if it's a bit too close.
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+1... there are quite a few folks in B group who drag knees all day because of poor body positioning or bad lines.

I'm not superfast but last year was running consistent 2:01s at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and hardly ever dragged my knees. I've had the same pucks for over 2 years.

At TWS (Texas World Speedway) I think i only drag knee on 4 and horseshoe
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+1... there are quite a few folks in B group who drag knees all day because of poor body positioning or bad lines.

I'm not superfast but last year was running consistent 2:01s at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and hardly ever dragged my knees. I've had the same pucks for over 2 years.


what kind of pucks are they? i'd like to pick me up a set of those. lol

all the pucks i use turn into butter once they touch the ground. :BangHead:
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what kind of pucks are they? i'd like to pick me up a set of those. lol

all the pucks i use turn into butter once they touch the ground. :BangHead:

I've seen some guys with some ugly beige squares, you should get those. They seem pretty hard
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yeah, being stuffed on the inside of a turn especially when you are fully committed to the turn is not a cool feeling, since it's only a trackday....

i've had no choice but to do it to others sometimes as well....you gotta understand that, some people will enter a turn at a FASTER speed then you, and by the time they are right on your in a turn, and there's no room or time to move to the outside of a turn, they have no choice but to squeeze in. a nice wave or gesture of apology is usually given if it's a bit too close.
Yea, once I realized the guy was aware he fcuked me over & was apologetic...I'd be fine. Just wouldn't want the same thing that happened to Faylaricia to happen to me...that'd be something that'd require a lil retribution. Can't wait to check out the track though...haven't been but am curious about the feel and how I will ride given I don't have to worry about debris of any significant kind out on the track...
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A group is even a faster paced group, and is an aggressive group at that. A group is not for the people who get spooked even a slight bit. i've gone into corners with my shoulder leaning against peoples legs. i've gotten bumped, and passing is a lot more aggressive than any other group. people will stuff you on the inside sometimes even when you are committed to your turn.
Race TMGP a few years and you'll get used to racing close, haha.

Back in 04 I went into T1 at Katy with Jack Gieske (sp) and Logan Young on either side of me. I had my left elbow hitting the front of Jacks fairing and Logan was going around the outside with his knee dragging on the side of the NSR I was on...

I'll never forget that turn, it was CRAZY...
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Race TMGP a few years and you'll get used to racing close, haha.

Back in 04 I went into T1 at Katy with Jack Gieske (sp) and Logan Young on either side of me. I had my left elbow hitting the front of Jacks fairing and Logan was going around the outside with his knee dragging on the side of the NSR I was on...

I'll never forget that turn, it was CRAZY...
Shyt...bet you sucked up a little upholstery eh? lol :laughing6
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what kind of pucks are they? i'd like to pick me up a set of those. lol

all the pucks i use turn into butter once they touch the ground. :BangHead:
Alpinestars... you can kinda see the right one here. They have been good, but like I said, I don't drag them too much. I usually just touch down and then pull my leg in. Kinda like a feeler.

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Shyt...bet you sucked up a little upholstery eh? lol :laughing6
Shoot, you're telling me... I was racing someone else's bike in like my 2nd TMGP race ever. Needless to say the pucker factor was a solid 10.0. :laughing6
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Alpinestars... you can kinda see the right one here. They have been good, but like I said, I don't drag them too much. I usually just touch down and then pull my leg in. Kinda like a feeler.

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+1 .See that's what I'm talkin about...I've always wondered why folks sit there and try to stick their knee all the way out so they can scrap puck...it seems it would slow you (friction) more than anything. The only reason I could see doing it is to figure out where you are...I also hate when I see folks leaning themselves more than the stinkin' bike...you know the guy that is cocked all the way off the side of the bike but the bike is nearly completely vertical :laughing6
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