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Old 08-16-2007, 12:45 AM   #21
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^^^ swweeeeeet!

soon you'll be like me.......you won't give a rat's about permission. you'll start demanding.

but i don't know if you wanna be like me :dontknow:.....i'm stressed from all the aftermath arguements. :laughing6
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I like the Elite Track Day concept, but do they have a expert racer out there teaching level 2 riders to race better? Once, I do my Howard school, I will def be in for Elite TD.. I find myself wanting to buy an extra afternoon track time for the other TD orgs. I never liked morning TD as there are always so many peeps with big ball attitudes... :P
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^^^ swweeeeeet!

soon you'll be like me.......you won't give a rat's about permission. you'll start demanding.

but i don't know if you wanna be like me :dontknow:.....i'm stressed from all the aftermath arguements. :laughing6
Me and the old lady have a two way street thing going on...she gets to go shopping buying new clothes (which often adds up to the same amount as a trackday) and I get to ride the track...as long as I get that wedding paid for
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^ danny come out next weekend
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ummm, I'm riding Cresson on the 24th with LSTD....that is next weekend.

And you should come to the Tavern tonight since you are right around the fn corner....maybe pre party at your place?
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sure give me a call.
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Sounds like an awesome deal!
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It is man. Can't wait for it to cool down a little and njoy the fulll 30 minute sessions.
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Glad you had fun BC. I told you Michelins don't do well at Cresson!

I wouldn't suggest slicks for you, but the 090 Bridgestone should make you very happy. Check with John (Kawijm) and he'll definitely hook you up with a sweet deal on some.

There just aren't any other tires lasting as long as the Bridgestones are, and they seem to stay consistently sticky all the way to the cords!
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^sweet. I'm going to take you up on the take off offer first to test the difference. For now grip isn;t an issue but wear is.
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Typically, trackdays at Cresson do not have an ambulance on trackside. The crash truck is equipped with 2 professional firefighter/emt's or paramedics which can stablize and package a patient while the ambulance is on the way to the track.
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Glad you had fun BC. I told you Michelins don't do well at Cresson!

I wouldn't suggest slicks for you, but the 090 Bridgestone should make you very happy. Check with John (Kawijm) and he'll definitely hook you up with a sweet deal on some.

There just aren't any other tires lasting as long as the Bridgestones are, and they seem to stay consistently sticky all the way to the cords!
Huge Bridgestone fan here... we're running 002's :icon_bigg

EMS was telling me they don't ever have an abulance parked there. They are the professionals, I'll listen to them.

I DO have expert assistance out there for those that race. It's not formal, but those looking for input in that faster group were always able to grab someone.
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Huge Bridgestone fan here... we're running 002's :icon_bigg

EMS was telling me they don't ever have an abulance parked there. They are the professionals, I'll listen to them.

I DO have expert assistance out there for those that race. It's not formal, but those looking for input in that faster group were always able to grab someone.
I love the 002's
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Maybe one day soon Gavin can sign up for one and we'll make one. I am definitely looking forward to it.
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^sweet. I'm going to take you up on the take off offer first to test the difference. For now grip isn;t an issue but wear is.
You want to "test" wear with used tires?

You're welcome to them, but don't expect to get much time out of them! They'll easily get you one or two track days, but don't expect any more than that.

The basic deal is this: Any new tire in race compound is going to stick juuuuust fine. The issues start to come with how the tire works as it wears and how it works as it gets close to the end of it's useful life.

The Pirellis work very well, and if they wore as well as the Bridgestones, I might even be running them instead (sorry John!). They have really, really good traction. The drawbacks I have found with them was that the smallest tire pressure change can alter the way your bike handles DRASTICALLY. Additionally, as they wore, they got scary. Sliding around corners is cool sometimes, as long as it's controllable. The Pirellis are scary when they get worn.

The Bridgestones don't. They work all the way to the point that you shouldn't use them any more. We've run the 090's past any tread showing at all and were still running lap times as fast (or faster in Glenn's case) as we were at the beginning of the race Lap times in the 56-58 range at TWS (Texas World Speedway). The slicks are just as good, and they never seem to lose their traction capability. Ask Henry. Last year I was riding around on some old slicks at Cresson. I was spinning up all the way around the "tombstone" area (the 3 lefts before the straight in the ccw direction- the one you take as one big turn). When we got back to the pits, Henry was like "Dude, you were sliding all around the track there." I told him "Yeah, but it was controllable". We looked at the tires and saw that the wear dots were LOOOOONG gone. Those tires were 1 year old, and we race the 6 hour on them at Cresson the year before. I had done 3 track days on those tires before the one we were at that time! I didn't run those tires any more that day, but I think a 6 hour at Cresson, plus 3 1/2 track days is pretty good for wear

As a caveat though, I have to say that my suspension and tire pressures were always adjusted and tuned, and the fact that I am not that fast, has a lot to do with tire wear. I don't think some of my team mates would make the tires last as long because they are faster. Glenn is faster (he runs a 56 pace at TWS (Texas World Speedway)), but he's smoother too. He can ride worn tires for freakin' ever. Me and Randy tend to tear them up more- me I think because of my weight and not being as smooth, Randy because he is plain fast and takes the corners HARD.

If you're looking for traction differences, you'll be disappointed. Just about every major vendor has a really good sticky tire. The difference is the way they wear- how fast and how they act. We were die-hard Michelin riders, we switched to Dunlop (which was very good, but really expensive), then we switched to Bridgestone 3 years ago and haven't looked back.
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Not really looking for more traction just better wear. The powers I'm running are sticking just fine TBH but the wear is killing my wallet(I have another day at cresson left in them). I need to play with air pressure settings so I can start getting a grasp of the affect it has on the bike. I'm no rossi and never will be. Instead just another guy trying to learn how to ride his bike and understand what its doing under him. I'd like to break 2 minutes at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and run low 1:30's or even high 1:20's at cresson. Tom as always thanks for the valuable info you share with us.

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Not really looking for more traction just better wear. The powers I'm running are sticking just fine TBH but the wear is killing my wallet(I have another day at cresson left in them). I need to play with air pressure settings so I can start getting a grasp of the affect it has on the bike. I'm no rossi and never will be. Instead just another guy trying to learn how to ride his bike and understand what its doing under him. I'd like to break 2 minutes at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and run low 1:30's or even high 1:20's at cresson. Tom as always thanks for the valuable info you share with us.

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NP Dude, I hope it is valuable. As always, you're welcome to get those take-offs from me. I'll be happy to bring them to work so you don't have to drive all the way out to Needville to get them.

I know that David Hirsch at Michelin recommends some really low pressures on the PR tires- like 22 or 24 psi. I have heard some of his guys running a bit lower at Cresson, like 20-21 psi when Cresson has cooler temps :shrugs:

Anyway, the street compound Michelins aren't the same, but I'd bet they would run lower psi also (you'd have to ask Patrick about that).

If you're still above 2 mins at TWS (Texas World Speedway), the 090 will suit you juuuust fine. , we were running well below 2 mins on the 090 at TWS (Texas World Speedway) without any issues. We switched to slicks because they are just so awesome with the lean angles, and it gives us more options in the corners if we get in to trouble. They also last for the full 8 hour race. We did the whole 8 hour on 090's one year, but we probably shouldn't have. The funny thing is, we ran those 090's in the 57/ 58 range in the 8th hour too!
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