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Old 08-11-2007, 07:52 PM   #21
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I've been thinking about that... How 'bout when i win the lottery I sponser him?
It would be good if you won the BIG lottery.

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Old 08-11-2007, 08:30 PM   #22
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I haven't seen anyone bringing in the issue of TC/ECU... This is what I read and heard..

AMA: For years, Yoshimura Suzuki has an electronic timing cutoff in their ECU unit, which acted as a traction control device when TC was illegal in AMA (Another stupid AMA policy and even worse policing effort). Furthermore, Yoshimura Suzuki has some Japanese support. Other brands don't. This year, TC is now legal but Yoshimura Suzuki is very ahead in this aspect of their technology while the other camps are still learning.

WSB: For years, Ducati were using the Italian electronic device Magneti Merilli systems while the other factories didn't have them. Now, some of the factories are using them, but Ten Kate is torn between using the HRC-created device and some parts from the Italian MM device.. The usage of MM has enabled other factories to compete and has left Ducati to bear their hopes on the new 1098R as Ducati are not able to use their corner exit speed as the advantage they once had.

AMA Superbike specs do not have to comply with looking like factory production while the WSB Superbike does. Take a look at the Suzuki exhaust pipes for the AMA and WSB.. There is a distinct difference. I also read that AMA is thinking of adopting the WSB rule in this aspect.

PS: Personally, I think AMA is just another club series like WERA in terms of how they conduct their races.. They really need to sell their management to a private entity to improve how they conduct their business. Other national series like BSB and CEV are all managed privately by companies with vested commercial interest and their races are better, safer, and very good fan viewership and enjoyment as well.
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I could care less about traction control, mostly because it is infinitely safer than not having it on these 200hp machines.

Honda was accused of using traction control too. Not to mention the fact that Honda turned down Japanese support to run their own effort (why they did that I still don't agree with...).

I'm glad that traction control has become the norm, that's just another thing that is safer for the rider (like slipper clutches) that will translate down to the showroom customer.
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Erion Honda turned down HRC's TC unit? LOL.. THEY ARE STUPID! At least Ten Kate was smart in playing politics with their bosses..

I wonder if ABS will come into competition racing...
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Old 08-13-2007, 09:45 PM   #25
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I think super stock should be the next superbike. and i think that supersport should have super stock rules also. No internal engine mods only exhaust fueling tinkering and suspension and that's it.
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The rules are changing for next year, we'll see if they can succeed in making the SB class conform to stricter rules (seemingly and effectively making it a SS class).
Really? This should be interesting. IMO I think they are 2 years 2 late on that call. Every racer/team is constantly looking for an advantage. So yeah I can see from some of what these guys say..... maybe Yosh' Suzuki might not necessarily be cheating. They do have (tested system + riders + $$$ + politics)..... Which looks like a monopoly to me.

Am I wrong, but isn't the whole difference between FX and SBK? ----> The bikes in FX are basically limitless in mods. That brings up another question. Shouldn't the factory support in FX be more $$$ because of the advanced mods. I'm sketchy on this tech stuff. I never pay too much attention to FX. Formula Extreme seemed to me like it was the GP version of production bikes, as the class does have less boundries on mods. They just stay state side. Correct me on this if I'm off.
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Nope... FX is the 600 version of Stock 1000.. SuperSport is the 600 version of the Superbike 1000.. YES AMA's naming system is also that stupid and confusing... they should just stick to the FIM rules!
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Nope... FX is the 600 version of Stock 1000.
wow....guess I'm I haven't followed that class in a min.
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Nope... FX is the 600 version of Stock 1000.. SuperSport is the 600 version of the Superbike 1000.. YES AMA's naming system is also that stupid and confusing... they should just stick to the FIM rules!
Uh, no that's not right.

As far as mods allowed, Supersport = Superstock and FX = Superbike. There are somes slight difference in what's allowed in FX and Superbike, but they are generally alike. However, Supersport & Superstock are identical.

If you look in the AMA rulebook you will see that there is 1 section for Superbike, 1 section for FX, and 1 section for Supersport/Superstock.
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Uh, no that's not right.

As far as mods allowed, Supersport = Superstock and FX = Superbike. There are somes slight difference in what's allowed in FX and Superbike, but they are generally alike. However, Supersport & Superstock are identical.

If you look in the AMA rulebook you will see that there is 1 section for Superbike, 1 section for FX, and 1 section for Supersport/Superstock.
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However, Supersport & Superstock are identical.
Almost identical. Slicks are allowed in Superstock.

My guess is they allow this because they know the privateers are going to fill the back of the superbike grid with their Superstock bikes.


I still believe that FX should have been THE superbike class. But what do I know. :BangHead:
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