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Old 10-12-2016, 01:56 PM   #181
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Crack down on the manufacturers not the citizens...
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The mfrs army misusing fones, citizens are.
The fones are doing what they are deigned to do. Let's make people responsible for their actions and not punish the folks that give us cool gadgets.
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It's not really a punishment to enable software that already exists to prevent folks from "misuse".
The GPS/dash screen in my girls infinity already has that feature installed.
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distracted driving makes you about 25x more likely to be involved in an accident

that being said, we don't need any more laws.
I agree. Should not have a law against shooting texting drivers in the face.
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I mean really why the push for tickets and getting the government involved in everyone's life on a local level?
Enable the software and be done with it...unless it's that you don't REALLY want to quit using YOUR phone while driving...just want everyone else to...then I could see your logic.
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Let's keep in mind that the topic here is to address bicycles getting doored while riding in the bike lane.
In which case it is simple. The bicyclists are going to fast to react to their environment. I stoped reading after a couple pages so in case it was not covered already here are the definitions you seek:

Motorcycle riders survive by expecting everyone they encounter to do the wrong thing at the wrong time to cross their path.

Bicyclists expect to survive by assuming everyone they encounter does the right thing all the time to avoid crossing their path.

Motorcycle riders put their trust in themselves and hold the responsibility for what happens to them.

Bicyclists put trust in others above thier own judgment and expect the law to hold others responsible for what happens to them.

Speaking of voting polls.. I bet each also votes, democrate or republican, as you might expect from how they ride.
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In which case it is simple. The bicyclists are going to fast to react to their environment. I stoped reading after a couple pages so in case it was not covered already here are the definitions you seek:

Motorcycle riders survive by expecting everyone they encounter to do the wrong thing at the wrong time to cross their path.

Bicyclists expect to survive by assuming everyone they encounter does the right thing all the time to avoid crossing their path.

Motorcycle riders put their trust in themselves and hold the responsibility for what happens to them.

Bicyclists put trust in others above thier own judgment and expect the law to hold others responsible for what happens to them.

Speaking of voting polls.. I bet each also votes, democrate or republican, as you might expect from how they ride.

I agree with most of this, except a bicyclist does have the mentality similar to a motorcyclist's. However, in this situation pertaining to dooring, a bicyclist does not have enough time to react and brake effectively nor do they have the option to abandon the bicycle lane and merge into regular traffic. So I don't think it's hard to understand a reasonable request of environmental awareness from drivers that can potentially door bicyclists.
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I can't wait until we have the option to go cyborg. I'll be all over it with glass eye implants for optical enhancements and ear audio implants. Get me a self driving car and life is good.
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However, in this situation pertaining to dooring, a bicyclist does not have enough time to react and brake effectively nor do they have the option to abandon the bicycle lane and merge into regular traffic. So I don't think it's hard to understand a reasonable request of environmental awareness from drivers that can potentially door bicyclists.
That's just it. The bicyclist who gets doored is going too fast for their surroundings.

When left with no outs, you have two choices; slow down to the point you can react and stop for anything, or pick a speed that you are prepared to crash from. The bicycle rider in that video on the link choose the latter..

Could it have been avoided by the person getting out of the car, absolutely, but don't count on it. Don't even expect it.

If you want to make a positive change, then ask the question why are bikes in the road with cars in the first place?

They should be sharing the sidewalks not the roads. Better to have them up on a curb separated path and widen the sidewalk than to put them down on the road.
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They should be sharing the sidewalks not the roads. Better to have them up on a curb separated path and widen the sidewalk than to put them down on the road.
Sidewalks can sometimes be more dangerous because it puts you in a position where you are crossing multiple side streets.

When I first started bicycling, I thought the sidewalk would be safer on main roads. After a couple near misses where cars were turning off the main road from behind without using their turn signal (and ironically enough, on the phone.) I switched tor riding on the main road on the far right. It just makes more sense. People can see you a lot easier.
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That's just it. The bicyclist who gets doored is going too fast for their surroundings.

When left with no outs, you have two choices; slow down to the point you can react and stop for anything, or pick a speed that you are prepared to crash from. The bicycle rider in that video on the link choose the latter..

Could it have been avoided by the person getting out of the car, absolutely, but don't count on it. Don't even expect it.

If you want to make a positive change, then ask the question why are bikes in the road with cars in the first place?

They should be sharing the sidewalks not the roads. Better to have them up on a curb separated path and widen the sidewalk than to put them down on the road.

Yeah that's true. Flying 20-25 mph in city traffic is likely to end bad for any vehicle.

I don't ever run the risk of being doored because I ride in suburban/rural areas, but I see where people have a concern come from
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These 'cyclists' are like queers. Nobody is happy when they show up in large numbers. They always make demands. They cost the taxpayer far more than they pay in. They dress funny and nobody likes them. Should the motorcyclist demand their own traffic lane? They should be ticketed the same rates motorized vehicles are for breaking similar laws. Not wearing a helmet, going the minimum speed limit, ect.
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Nobody is happy when they show up in large numbers.
Please don't group yourself with "everyone". There aren't too many that are full of your kind of hatred Jimmy/Pinball/Toe.

I see plenty of happy onlookers at CM events. People are tired of living 5 miles from their job and it taking 40 mins to get there.

I also wear a helmet, do well over the Min. speed where the max I ever see is 30mph and I find it much safer to ride on the road....this is all from experience, not hatred spewed by the ignorant.
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I see plenty of happy onlookers at CM events. People are tired of living 5 miles from their job and it taking 40 mins to get there.
I suppose now that they have no more "baby killers" in wheel chairs to spit on these "CM Events" and making motorists miserable is all they have left to be happy about.
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I suppose now that they have no more "baby killers" in wheel chairs to spit on these "CM Events" and making motorists miserable is all they have left to be happy about.
Spew on bro.
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Please don't group yourself with "everyone". There aren't too many that are full of your kind of hatred Jimmy/Pinball/Toe.

I also wear a helmet, do well over the Min. speed where the max I ever see is 30mph and I find it much safer to ride on the road....this is all from experience, not hatred spewed by the ignorant.
If you wear gear, follow the rules of the road, and don't impede traffic or do things that off motorists, why do you group yourself in with those that do just the opposite?
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If you wear gear, follow the rules of the road, and don't impede traffic or do things that off motorists, why do you group yourself in with those that do just the opposite?
What group is the opposite?
Everyone keeps using the word "cyclist", which is extremely broad.

Or do you mean critical mass? Because a vast majority of the people there are decked out with gear and lights. In fact a lot of people who visit the event for the first time leave wanting to get headlights/tail lights because that's what everyone seems to have there.
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What group is the opposite?
Everyone keeps using the word "cyclist", which is extremely broad.
The majority of the hate for cyclists is due to the actions of a certain kind of cyclist. See below.

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I have zero issues with bicyclists that follow the rules of the road. Unfortunately, I haven't run across many that do.
The only place I've seen cyclists consistently use hand signals is in the Austin area, and they seem to be very aware of their surroundings. We came up on a few during Sol's hill country ride. They heard us coming, moved to the side before we got to them, then signaled us around. This was on a one lane road. If cyclists around here made half that effort, animosity towards them would drop drastically.

As for "dooring," a few pages ago I commented on how I haven't seen a bike lane in the Houston area that would put cyclists in danger of getting hit by a driver's side door. In other words, I haven't seen a bike lane that runs between curb parking and flowing traffic. Not saying there aren't any, but all the ones I've seen are right along the curb. Was in Dallas yesterday, and it was the same (from what little of the city I saw). This means that for a cyclist to get "doored," they have to be splitting traffic. Until a lane splitting law is passed, it's pretty unreasonable to want drivers to look behind them for something that's not supposed to be there in the first place. For the record, I want lane splitting in this state and think it should apply equally to cyclists.

The Texas Motor Vehicle Code says that cyclists riding abreast may not impede the reasonable flow of traffic. That's pretty much verbatim. The code also says that vehicles must leave enough room between them to allow another vehicle to safely enter the space. Since cyclists are capable of allowing the space between them, they are required to do so. Cyclists riding up each other's single file prevent other vehicles from working their way through and eventually passing the group.

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Or do you mean critical mass? Because a vast majority of the people there are decked out with gear and lights. In fact a lot of people who visit the event for the first time leave wanting to get headlights/tail lights because that's what everyone seems to have there.
Do people still drink while riding in CM? Lights are required by law for riding a bicycle at night, so I guess it's good that newcomers want them. I really think CM would be unnecessary if cyclists would just do what they're supposed to in the first place.
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The majority of the hate for cyclists is due to the actions of a certain kind of cyclist.

The only place I've seen cyclists consistently use hand signals is in the Austin area, and they seem to be very aware of their surroundings. We came up on a few during Sol's hill country ride. They heard us coming, moved to the side before we got to them, then signaled us around. This was on a one lane road. If cyclists around here made half that effort, animosity towards them would drop drastically.

The Texas Motor Vehicle Code says that cyclists riding abreast may not impede the reasonable flow of traffic. That's pretty much verbatim. The code also says that vehicles must leave enough room between them to allow another vehicle to safely enter the space. Since cyclists are capable of allowing the space between them, they are required to do so. Cyclists riding up each other's single file prevent other vehicles from working their way through and eventually passing the group.

Do people still drink while riding in CM? Lights are required by law for riding a bicycle at night, so I guess it's good that newcomers want them. I really think CM would be unnecessary if cyclists would just do what they're supposed to in the first place.
I don't wear a bicycle helmet. I always thought it was obsolete. I've witnessed 2 bicycle accidents and heard about numerous more, their helmets didn't do . all the rash and cuts were on their face and side of their heads.

But I do use hand signals and always use the most right hand part of the lane. Most people around here don't mind sharing the lane with me bc they can still pass with plenty of room on both sides between me and the lane of oncoming traffic.

I did encounter some bonehead that ran a flashing yellow arrow turning left almost into me.

And CM guys are 99% dickheads. "Hey lets make sure to off evryone downtown once a month so they know that people ride bicycles"

Who the thought clogging traffic for cagers would make them more open to you being on the road with them?
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