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Old 09-12-2016, 10:06 AM   #1
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friday track day

its been a few years since I've had a bike and been to the track and i finally got another bike and was thinking about going to TWS (Texas World Speedway) in october with LSTD. Ive never been to a friday track day, is it any different from any other day because of the CMRA going on the days after?
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Yes, this is a very different track day. Two of the groups are for novice and expert racers. The street group is comprised of non racers and racers on light weight bikes. The street group is not for new riders. If you have not ridden in a few years I would recommend that you wait for a regular track day.
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Those light weight guys have no mercy hahah
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LSTD track days before race weekends are intense. Since LW is now in the "street" group, it is basically 3 racer groups.

This is also the last LSTD day, and maybe the last race weekend at TWS (Texas World Speedway), so it will be packed

Like Ek said, perhaps wait for a Ride Smart day....
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I really like Friday track days. I prefer LW group on Fridays (riding street bike), than some A- groups on other days. It's not really that crowded. Going to be there in October for last LSTD...
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It won't be packed because we're not going to compromise safety. There will be our traditional cap on riders in the "Street" group.

The "novice" and "expert" racer groups will be fast, way faster than a regular track day with very close passing.

The "Street" group will be fast too, more akin to our "A" group. It's not for beginners, it's for seasoned track day riders who have lots of track days under their belts. If you're a level 1, or 2 rider at ride smart, it's not for you. It's going to be much faster than ride smart level 3. We also may ask people to leave if they don't fit in to the group. We take safety seriously.

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thanks for the info, I'm going to pass on the friday track day this time around until I'm back up to speed.
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you're doing the right thing . The best track days I've ridden have been on Friday with LSTD , no passing rules and them 250 haul though the turns . I'm old so I needed an SV650 to keep up. Hope they enjoyed it as much as me.
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its been a few years since I've had a bike and been to the track and i finally got another bike and was thinking about going to TWS (Texas World Speedway) in october with LSTD. Ive never been to a friday track day, is it any different from any other day because of the CMRA going on the days after?
The key difference between lstd and Ridemsart are the passing rules. Unless you are a licensed racer you will register in the "B-Group/Intermediate Street" level, which does allow inside passing. This is a combination of what Ridesmart would consider Level 1,2, and 3 (non racer) riders, except they do allow 250cc racers in B group. I've had the most fun and recorded my fastest laps in the LSTD B group, you will love it, just come with an open mind and be prepared to get passed (a lot) and learn from trying to catch faster riders.

Here's a good example of what I'm talking about from the previous LSTD event at TWS (Texas World Speedway):

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Here's a good example of what I'm talking about from the previous LSTD event at TWS (Texas World Speedway):

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Did the dude flip you off at the end, in T3?
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Did the dude flip you off at the end, in T3?
Lol, that would have been awesome, but I think he was acknowledging his pass was too close for comfort even for lstd standards. Him and Tommy were killing it on the 390s that day, those things are fast on corners. I want one!
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its been a few years since I've had a bike and been to the track and i finally got another bike and was thinking about going to TWS (Texas World Speedway) in october with LSTD. Ive never been to a friday track day, is it any different from any other day because of the CMRA going on the days after?
Don't sweat it, and don't miss out on the last track ride there. I've been out for 4 years but i'm going..Don't be scared
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It won't be packed because we're not going to compromise safety. There will be our traditional cap on riders in the "Street" group.

The "novice" and "expert" racer groups will be fast, way faster than a regular track day with very close passing.

The "Street" group will be fast too, more akin to our "A" group. It's not for beginners, it's for seasoned track day riders who have lots of track days under their belts. If you're a level 1, or 2 rider at ride smart, it's not for you. It's going to be much faster than ride smart level 3. We also may ask people to leave if they don't fit in to the group. We take safety seriously.

See y'all there!
With all due respect, if that is the case then why sell intermidiate street group level B slots.

Sounds more like the entire day should just be A group / racer practice and the street group should just become a lightweight category.

Would not be good form to turn people away for not being A level or fitting in with racers after they signed up for B level street group slots with no racers taking part.

I know you guys run a great program and I'd expect you'd offer a credit for anyone that legitimately didn't fit, but tow money and more importantly people's time are things you cannot cover or recover.
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Lol, that would have been awesome, but I think he was acknowledging his pass was too close for comfort even for lstd standards. Him and Tommy were killing it on the 390s that day, those things are fast on corners. I want one!
They're fun. I was filming Dave and yeah, he was "apologizing" for the pass. Sometimes it's tough to remind yourself that the rules are different when riding those things!
The "B" group rules for passing are (were) 6', inside or outside passes. Basically giving room and respect. Sometimes we eff'd that rule up...

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With all due respect, if that is the case then why sell intermidiate street group level B slots.
Sounds more like the entire day should just be A group / racer practice and the street group should just become a lightweight category.
Would not be good form to turn people away for not being A level or fitting in with racers after they signed up for B level street group slots with no racers taking part.
I know you guys run a great program and I'd expect you'd offer a credit for anyone that legitimately didn't fit, but tow money and more importantly people's time are things you cannot cover or recover.
Great points. This October 7th is our last event, but I'll try to explain what the thoughts were when we started doing Friday pre-CMRA practice events.

Basically, the "Expert" and "Novice" groups historically did not get too full. MOST of the racers utilizing those events only came for the afternoon sessions and chose the half-day option (which probably may not be available this event if things stay consistent with pre-registration). In order to help defray the costs of providing the events, we sold the "Street" group to those who wanted to have a track day but aren't racers. We have more A/B group riders than C group alone, so it made sense to have an A/B group and call it "street" group.

We published the qualifications, there's not anything more we could do to help folks sign up/ not sign up to events. It's unfortunate that people spent the money to travel, but ultimately, we couldn't hold everyone's hands when the sign up- the onus is ultimately on them to sign up for the appropriate group. It's a business model that has worked for 16 years very well. We're the first provider in Texas and had a great run at it!

There are/ were other providers who don't seem to mind letting riders sign up and ride in the improper groups or over filling groups; we chose not to create that business model. If it happened with us, we'd simply give them a credit to another event and thank them for their business. Since this is the last ever event for us (unless someone buys the business I guess... ) then that's just not possible. I guess we'll end up giving refunds

But anyway, the "Street" group has actually become the lightweight group on Fridays. Regardless, the pace will be fast and it's not for those who are new to track riding. Only those who are experienced and fast enough to normally ride in the A or fast B group riders should sign up for the Street group.
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This October 7th is our last event, but I'll try to explain what the thoughts were when we started doing Friday pre-CMRA practice events.
I didn't know it was the last event for the company! Totally understand your explaination. I road with you guys last time out at TWS (Texas World Speedway) and have to say I was very impressed with your org and it will certainly be missed. It must seem like a life's work coming to and end after 16 years. Thanks for your efforts and for spoiling us while it lasted.
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It must seem like a life's work coming to and end after 16 years. Thanks for your efforts and for spoiling us while it lasted.
Thanks!

There's the rub though... it became a "job" and we just don't have the time to keep this up really. It's a lot of work and other things just keep pushing the track days further down the priority line (family, kids, work... ).
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For those of you unable to make it Friday, here's what you missed. As always, LSTD puts on the best track days and I love their format and flexible passing rules, they will be missed..

There was only one lowside the whole day even though the group was PACKED with all levels of riders, including licensed racers and TWS (Texas World Speedway) first-timers, plus I logged a new PB of 2:10, evidence the B rules work and a model to follow for other trackday promoters.

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Great videos. Had alot fun on the track (I was also running in Street Group). Eventhough it was crowded (more than normal for Fri track day) it was really fun and crashes were minimal (except the Expert group crash that closed the track for almost an hour later in the evening)
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