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Old 08-18-2016, 01:30 PM   #21
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Smooth and predictable. That's all

My point was what you think should be L3 pace, and what's appropriate from a business prospective don't come close. Most of the guys that run at the front half of a novice race and almost all experts don't do that many trackdays. Vis a vis the laptimes you think should be the minimum to get into L3 would normally result in a trackday that had...........about 4 bikes in L3.
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My point was what you think should be L3 pace, and what's appropriate from a business prospective don't come close. Most of the guys that run at the front half of a novice race and almost all experts don't do that many trackdays. Vis a vis the laptimes you think should be the minimum to get into L3 would normally result in a trackday that had...........about 4 bikes in L3.
Gotcha. That makes total sense.
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Shouldn't there be an arguement that 1:50 guys probably shouldn't be on the track with a guy doing 3 minutes no matter how predictably slow one is?

But what do I know? I don't have the time or $ to race.


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Gotcha. That makes total sense.
If you want to run with the group of guys that doesn't do trackdays, if you think you have that pace, sign up for the novice racer group on one of LSTD's pre-CMRA friday trackdays. Just be prepared for some I'm-pretty-sure-that-dude-paved-new-track-on-the-inside-to-make-that-happen close passes.

Surprises me on occasion even after years of racing.
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Shouldn't there be an arguement that 1:50 guys probably shouldn't be on the track with a guy doing 3 minutes no matter how predictably slow one is?

But what do I know? I don't have the time or $ to race.


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As someone who is a back-of-the-pack novice racer who has done races where there's experts on the track, it's not an issue all that often. I actually ask the fast dudes if my pace is an issue, never heard anyone say it held them up in the slightest.
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If you want to run with the group of guys that doesn't do trackdays, if you think you have that pace, sign up for the novice racer group on one of LSTD's pre-CMRA friday trackdays. Just be prepared for some I'm-pretty-sure-that-dude-paved-new-track-on-the-inside-to-make-that-happen close passes.

Surprises me on occasion even after years of racing.
I don't have that kind of pace. I am still very much a novice. I am very comfortable though, and would benefit from being allowed to inside pass as well as be passed on the inside.
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I don't have that kind of pace. I am still very much a novice. I am very comfortable though, and would benefit from being allowed to inside pass as well as be passed on the inside.
I was never a fan of Ride Smart' passing rules either. Always seemed like the progression was

Ride Smart L1
Ride Smart L2
????????
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I was never a fan of Ride Smart' passing rules either. Always seemed like the progression was

Ride Smart L1
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????????
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I'm probably in "????????" because of total inexperience with inside passing but L3 in terms of pace. So yeah, I agree
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I have never done a L3 trackday ever.. and I race (slowly.. probably slowest out there) but I am comfortable being passed closely. What they say is true is a different feel. In my second race ever Kris Lillegard passed me on the inside and we traded paint and technically we were on the same team he was just riding the other team bike...

That being said I only ride ULW bikes these days so I will never see L3
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I like ulw in level three. I can ride faster than most in the turns but on the straight there is no chance of me keeping pace.
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Interesting. Quan knows which bike i run and it just seems L2 is all over the place. I do not have a lap timer but looking at videos before putting the better tires, I ran 2:00 clockwise and recently the other direction, 2;20 at TWS (Texas World Speedway), and just under 3:00 at COTA. I feel more comfortable in close situations and recently rode with Kris at a private session. He helped on body position and I moved controls to stop dragging hard parts but was curious. Might try 2A if they will let me move up at COTA next week and see how I feel. I run well in tighter stuff but loose out to the bigger bikes on the straights. Thanks guys for the input. I will get Dean, Doug or PaPa to follow me next week.
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Interesting. Quan knows which bike i run and it just seems L2 is all over the place. I do not have a lap timer but looking at videos before putting the better tires, I ran 2:00 clockwise and recently the other direction, 2;20 at TWS (Texas World Speedway), and just under 3:00 at COTA. I feel more comfortable in close situations and recently rode with Kris at a private session. He helped on body position and I moved controls to stop dragging hard parts but was curious. Might try 2A if they will let me move up at COTA next week and see how I feel. I run well in tighter stuff but loose out to the bigger bikes on the straights. Thanks guys for the input. I will get Dean, Doug or PaPa to follow me next week.
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Lol I figured it was you just wasn't sure. Why don't you do an ARC class at one of our local tx tracks? Cota is such a big track and so many long straights
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Might do that. I will get instructors to follow me.
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Off this subject you might suggest to help get everyone out faster after class room that the stickers be passed out during class instead of after. Everyone is just standing in each others way trying to get out. Thanks to all you guys for help and patience with us as we try to become safer riders.
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