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Old 08-17-2016, 08:23 PM   #1
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What would a minimum lap time be recommended to ride L3 besides being comfortable in traffic.
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Old 08-17-2016, 08:38 PM   #2
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I'd say 1:50ish. others will say 2:00
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Old 08-17-2016, 09:26 PM   #3
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And be comfortable in traffic and passing, Ridesmart offers a Advanced Rider Course ARC. Might look into that.
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And be comfortable in traffic and passing, Ridesmart offers a Advanced Rider Course ARC. Might look into that.
This! Time is not the issue. You need to have solid lines and be aware of your surroundings. Most intermediate (L2) riders act like they have blinders on and aren't aware when someone gets close. They might be quick and have good lines, but all that goes out the window when a faster person comes up the inside and blows their doors off.
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Under 2:00 for sure and more like 1:55 But I was running high 1:50's my second time there and third track day ever, doesn't mean was I okay for L3.
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Ridesmart says 2:00 flat, IIRC. That's too slow. By the time you are smooth and consistent, you will be turning low 1:50s for sure.
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This! Time is not the issue. You need to have solid lines and be aware of your surroundings. Most intermediate (L2) riders act like they have blinders on and aren't aware when someone gets close. They might be quick and have good lines, but all that goes out the window when a faster person comes up the inside and blows their doors off.
To be fair, how do you learn to be passed on the inside without being passed on the inside? How do you learn how to be passed on the outside when you don't get passed in L2?

I've always been skeptical about "no inside passing" until L3, where you will get your fairings blown off by skilled riders.
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Just curious but looking at your screen name are you asking bc of your bikes ability or your ability?
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To be fair, how do you learn to be passed on the inside without being passed on the inside? How do you learn how to be passed on the outside when you don't get passed in L2?

I've always been skeptical about "no inside passing" until L3, where you will get your fairings blown off by skilled riders.
Sportbike Track Time allows inside passing in L2 w/ 6' of cushion.. There wasn't nearly as much traffic/conga lines as a typical track day in Intermediate w/Ridesmart. Perhaps Ridesmart could start allowing inside passing in the last couple sessions of the day in Level 2 to allow folks to get used to inside passes?

It is hard to say what is the best/safest option for Intermediate because of the huge margin in lap times. Although I passed on the outside for 3/4 of the time riding with STT, it's nice to have the option of an inside pass to get around slower riders.
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Sportbike Track Time allows inside passing in L2 w/ 6' of cushion.. There wasn't nearly as much traffic/conga lines as a typical track day in Intermediate w/Ridesmart. Perhaps Ridesmart could start allowing inside passing in the last couple sessions of the day in Level 2 to allow folks to get used to inside passes?

It is hard to say what is the best/safest option for Intermediate because of the huge margin in lap times. Although I passed on the outside for 3/4 of the time riding with STT, it's nice to have the option of an inside pass to get around slower riders.
I agree with you. Personally, I think there should be four groups... But obviously nobody would want the decreased track time, myself included. Beginner becomes truly beginner, intermediate loses the top 20% or so of riders that get swapped into the current expert group, and then everyone who has a race license or is just an exceptionally fast rider goes into a new expert+ group. Passing would be allowed only in expert, but at least you'd keep guys turning current minimum level 3 times away from people who are seasoned vets that have no problem skirting you by mere inches on the inside as you are tipping over for a turn-in. And you could allow ULW bikes in expert, even if you still keep them out of expert+. This also benefits the really fast guys because they could know almost for certain that everyone on the track in their session really is quick and predictable, versus the way it is now where you can easily end up with a noob in level 3 based on the minimum required lap time.
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What is the minimum time to qualify at MSRH for CMRA novice?
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3:00......there isn't one.

To be on the box you will have to run low 40's on an inline (maybe into :39). Mid to high :40s on an SV
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What is the minimum time to qualify at MSRH for CMRA novice?
I looked at MSRH results for superstock C, where my Street Triple would fit into (though it would be one of the worse options for this class), and lap times that in my eyes barely qualify someone to be placed in L3 at the track would put you in the middle of the pack in that sprint. For what it's worth (which may not be much)
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You'd have to run B on the S3
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It was a rhetorical question.

So why does a race licence qualify an individual for level 3?
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lap times that in my eyes barely qualify someone to be placed in L3 at the track would put you in the middle of the pack in that sprint.

Sounds like you need to revise what you consider an appropriate L3 laptime.
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It was a rhetorical question.

So why does a race licence qualify an individual for level 3?
Because if you race, you can get passed at i-can-smell-your-BO distance without freaking the out. Trackday guys...I've seen them get spooked and do all sorts of stupid .
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It was a rhetorical question.

So why does a race licence qualify an individual for level 3?
Maybe exclude prov-novs. The rest should be comfortable getting passed super close on the regular.
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Sounds like you need to revise what you consider an appropriate L3 laptime.
Smooth and predictable. That's all
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