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Old 08-19-2016, 08:07 AM   #41
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I'll chime in with the old farts. HID in reflector housing WILL blind the out of everyone on the road. I can go in technical details of why, but I'll keep it short, it's mainly due to difference in focal point and different light design (arc vs filament). Those LED bulbs aren't much better either, again, different focal points.

Stock headlights on most motorcycles aren't adequate either. Riding at night on stock motorcycle headlight is a scary experience. They don't illuminate far enough ahead. Going highway speed on a dark road and you can only pray there's no pot hole or an animal darting out because there's no time for you to react.

if you do and if you don't right? Do it the right way, retrofit the headlight with a proper HID projector which will cost $$. Not all of us can afford the $$ to retrofit proper HID projector.

Normally, I'm adamantly against putting HID into reflector housing. However, for motorcycle, it will require some reconsiderations.

1. Safety first. We, as riders, need to see, and be seen. Inadequate stock headlight put us at risk riding at night. Most of them are in no way adequate to ride faster than 50mph (approx).
2. Our safety VS blinding everybody on the road. I understand the mantra "your bike, your money" and "your bike, do whatever you want". But one must keep in mind that everybody else has been considerate to you by NOT putting HID in their reflector headlights, keeping YOU from being blinded. No need to be THAT douche who put HID in reflector housing and blind everybody else.

With that said... motorcycle only has one headlight, so the blinding effect is not THAT bad. Install HID bulb if you ride a lot at night. Don't install HID for the sake of being "cool", as in using HID bulbs between 4300 - 5000 Kelvins. Anything higher is too blue and the brightness actually decreases. There's a reason all OEM HID use 4300K bulbs...

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Old 08-19-2016, 08:32 AM   #42
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Why not fab one hid into the high beam so it can be toggled on and off instead of blinding the out of everybody all the time. Since apparently there are some people that like to do late night country riding because it's not like 100 percent of the roads in the greater houston area have street lights.
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I'll chime in with the old farts. HID in reflector housing WILL blind the out of everyone on the road. I can go in technical details of why, but I'll keep it short, it's mainly due to difference in focal point and different light design (arc vs filament). Those LED bulbs aren't much better either, again, different focal points.

Stock headlights on most motorcycles aren't adequate either. Riding at night on stock motorcycle headlight is a scary experience. They don't illuminate far enough ahead. Going highway speed on a dark road and you can only pray there's no pot hole or an animal darting out because there's no time for you to react.

if you do and if you don't right? Do it the right way, retrofit the headlight with a proper HID projector which will cost $$. Not all of us can afford the $$ to retrofit proper HID projector.

Normally, I'm adamantly against putting HID into reflector housing. However, for motorcycle, it will require some reconsiderations.

1. Safety first. We, as riders, need to see, and be seen. Inadequate stock headlight put us at risk riding at night. Most of them are in no way adequate to ride faster than 50mph (approx).
2. Our safety VS blinding everybody on the road. I understand the mantra "your bike, your money" and "your bike, do whatever you want". But one must keep in mind that everybody else has been considerate to you by NOT putting HID in their reflector headlights, keeping YOU from being blinded. No need to be THAT douche who put HID in reflector housing and blind everybody else.

With that said... motorcycle only has one headlight, so the blinding effect is not THAT bad. Install HID bulb if you ride a lot at night. Don't install HID for the sake of being "cool", as in using HID bulbs between 4300 - 5000 Kelvins. Anything higher is too blue and the brightness actually decreases. There's a reason all OEM HID use 4300K bulbs...
HID bulbs in reflective housings put less usable light on the road than traditional bulbs. You make your visibility worse by putting HIDs in reflective housings. And of course you blind people.

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This makes sense but I swear (back in my squidly days) I saw a significant improvement in light output with HID's over halogens on my cbr that had reflector housings. Maybe it was the placebo effect?


At any rate you're right though, projector housings or don't bother.


To OP, if night riding is a concern then use your brights when it's dimly lit. This is what I do on 146 at night. Flipping a switch on and off REALLY is easier than it sounds
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This makes sense but I swear (back in my squidly days) I saw a significant improvement in light output with HID's over halogens on my cbr that had reflector housings. Maybe it was the placebo effect?


At any rate you're right though, projector housings or don't bother.


To OP, if night riding is a concern then use your brights when it's dimly lit. This is what I do on 146 at night. Flipping a switch on and off REALLY is easier than it sounds
It's whiter, and therefore appears brighter. To add to that, the maximum light intensity increases. But when I say "usable light", I'm talking about the aggregate illumination of the road. If somewhat that would've been clearly visible without HIDs is now even brighter, that's useless. If something that would've been illuminated with regular bulbs is now not illuminated well at all, that's obviously not good. But due to the poor beam pattern (which happens because reflective housings are designed for the bulbs that go in them), the light output is very spotty. Yes, some spots are brighter than before. But overall your total vision is decreased.
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To answer the op original question. HID generally use less wattage so I don't see why you would have to add relays.

I had HID on my TL before it became a track only bike. The main reason for the switch was because of less power consumption as I was considering some heated riding equipment. It was a High/Low beam set up with a solenoid to adjust the focal point of the bulb. In general I thought they sucked. Until the DOT allows active LED lighting, all headlights will continue to suck.
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