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Old 08-03-2007, 10:23 AM   #21
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ChemiKaze,

You missed the mark on your guess of TWS (Texas World Speedway) rental fees without Insurance by several thousand dollars. Insurance rates just renewed at all the facilities we rent and it went up an average of 22%. Not to mention operating expenses like web fees, SSL fees, bank and credit card fees, hotels, fuel, printed materials, operations staff, extra ambulances, and our time.

Another track day organization will not lower rates in my opinion. Expenses surely have not gone down. Believe me when I say that there are minimul profits that already exist in the track day arena. If someone wants to operate at a break even point then thats their decision. I still love to ride and I love the sport. Track Days saved my life. I wasn't that good of a rider when we started LSTD and I probably would have died or become seriously injured trying to become faster on public roads.

Time is money. We spend alot of time answering e mails, processing registrations, and looking at ways we can improve our servies and venues.
We have increased our trackdays fees by less than 20% in 7 years.
You do the math..............

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Old 08-03-2007, 10:49 AM   #22
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Having some kind of business ventures and any ventures where money is involved is tough. Everyone is out to get you whether you are banking or not. They just don't understand.
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Old 08-03-2007, 12:39 PM   #23
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I'm not in the business of trackdays or racing so I wouldn't know, but you are right.. insurance is a huge cost issue... but the other factors like op. exp. are just part of the game no matter what business you're doing... I saw on some webbie that medics cost about 700 per day.. again, i'm not in the biz... just an outside guy looking in.

But I should say that Elite trackday didn't do as well as they intended the first time around... Their numbers were pretty low.. but I hope they can stay on... a bigger offering is always good as each track organization has different set of instructor that will teach me different stuff.. The best bang for my buck in terms of instructor was Hallett's HART. Superb undivided attention!

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You missed the mark on your guess of TWS (Texas World Speedway) rental fees without Insurance by several thousand dollars. Insurance rates just renewed at all the facilities we rent and it went up an average of 22%. Not to mention operating expenses like web fees, SSL fees, bank and credit card fees, hotels, fuel, printed materials, operations staff, extra ambulances, and our time.

Another track day organization will not lower rates in my opinion. Expenses surely have not gone down. Believe me when I say that there are minimul profits that already exist in the track day arena. If someone wants to operate at a break even point then thats their decision. I still love to ride and I love the sport. Track Days saved my life. I wasn't that good of a rider when we started LSTD and I probably would have died or become seriously injured trying to become faster on public roads.

Time is money. We spend alot of time answering e mails, processing registrations, and looking at ways we can improve our servies and venues.
We have increased our trackdays fees by less than 20% in 7 years.
You do the math..............

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Old 08-03-2007, 12:53 PM   #24
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Old 08-03-2007, 01:19 PM   #25
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My point about the other expenses as they have increased as well.
All business have fixed and variable expenses. The more we grow, so do the expenses.
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as for the time issue, 20 mins is more than enough, as SBK stated above, it doesn't take much time in the heat to find your self already fatigued, by then it could be too late.

some of you guys worry about the wrong things, just sign up, load up and lets ride!
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you have a link to that

Nope... it wasn't that long ago though.
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Watch for an email. Sorry, I'm digging out after being up at Hallett for almost a week. I'm the new kid on the block... right now just happy to be here.

I agree with what was posted about doing this for the love of the sport. I don't think anyone is in this to get rich, there are entirely too many factors.
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Old 08-04-2007, 06:16 PM   #29
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well i just signed up for the 13th with Elite trackdays,and to be honest,15 minute sessions is what i plan on doing.it just seems with the other guys 15 minutes turn into 10 solid.plus only 25-30 people on the track is just safer in my book.
do they allow smaller displacement bikes such as an NSR250 or an RS125?
maybe in group 1.........?
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IF seat time is what you are after, do some math. LMS offers you an available 4+ hours in the seat on the track. You don't have to ride all four hours, but it's there if you want it.
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Old 08-04-2007, 11:08 PM   #32
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:23 AM   #33
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20 minute sessions are great - 30 minutes sessions are better - doesn't mean you have to ride it all - it just gives you more flexibility. Lots of times at the track someone comes up to the trailer and needs help with a mechanical problem, if I'm able I will help them, if I'm a few minutes late going out - no big deal - with 30 minutes of every hour available I'll get more than enough. Should there be a mishap on the track or a weather delay - the more available track time - the less an unforseen delay impacts your day. There is a trackday organization out west (in Nevada) that really brags about NO SESSIONS - Track is open all day except for lunch. If you want to go out for 10 minutes and try something with your suspension, come back in make an adjustment go back out, etc you can. Want to train for enduance - no problem. Here is part of their propaganda:

"Your No Session Trackday Headquarters"
How would you like to ride like a professional factory sponsored racer? When Honda takes Nicky Hayden to a race track do you think he is only allowed to ride 20 minutes (or less) per hour? Of course not, Nicky rides for as long as it takes to accomplish his goals. Now, you too can ride like a pro without the hassles and limitations of group sessions.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy LSTD outings - they do a great job, but 30 minutes is more than 20 - 50% more! No one is holding a gun to your head to ride till you drop. When the weather is 100 degrees we all run out of steam sooner than when it's 70. One more benefit we CC guys get from 30 minute sessions is - normally by mid afternoon if the weather has been good all day (not this year) we will have had our share by 3 - 4 PM and we can pack up a little earlier and start the long drive home with as many or normally more track miles on the meter as an all day with 20 minute sessions.
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IF seat time is what you are after, do some math. LMS offers you an available 4+ hours in the seat on the track. You don't have to ride all four hours, but it's there if you want it.
not that i'm after more seat time,just the option to go a few more laps per session if one gets trapped behind a slower rider and dont wanna blast past him/her and cause a "scare".i guess what i mean is that sometimes some riders get frustrated<sp> and force painful mistakes because they feel someone "robbed" them of track time...
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Old 08-05-2007, 08:13 AM   #35
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That was my point as well in a previous thread on the topic. To the original point of this thread, another trackday org is good for the simple reason that it offers more opportunities to fit into everyones schedule and competition is also better for the consumer. You already see some enhancements, like limiting the # of riders= safer, faster, better TD IMO.
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Old 08-05-2007, 02:51 PM   #36
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The gal that is running Elite trackdays is named Moira, She is just getting it started ,And I believe there first trackday was a few weeks ago. Several of my buddies from San Antonio went and said it was very organized and very awesome. No BS and every 30 minutes the next group was heading out witout any delays. Allot of the people were heading out early due to being fatigued from too much track time. They were worn out. She is keeping the price at $150 to keep the rider cap down and so there is more track time allowed. So far the only track they are using is Cresson.
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Azoom's a great gal and I'll be doing her Aug 13th track day in Cresson. I can't wait. The more track options we have the more days we have to choose from. Not everyone is available the same days and with choices of several dates from tracks each month it might just get more people interested. See ya'll out there.
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