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Old 08-02-2007, 03:02 PM   #121
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That was 40 years ago. You really think they have the same agenda that he did 40 years ago? A lot has changed since then.

I can agree things have changed, but there is STILL A FIGHT and he deserves some credit for what he HAS done and has been apart of in response to that fight. He might be a womanizer, but I don't know any man who isn't and that quite frankly is all u can possibly have against him.

I've never seen ploys for profit out of JJ, What profit is he to make out of saving Mike Vick? Now could Vick be paying him to speak on his behalf, maybe, but u have no proof of that SO REFUSE TO MAKE AN OUT OF URSELF AND ASSUME that that's the case.
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What are u talking about, the government lists us as separate communities/races anyway. Have u ever filled out an application other than one for a visa, that listed american, british, canadian, othern than black, white, asian.

It's not about being biased WE THE BLACK COMMUNITY have ALWAYS BEEN TREATED INFERIORLY as opposed to the WHITE COMMUNTIY, so we do need leadership to support the removal of this labeling and help us achieve a level of EQUALITY with the white community.

Lest's also not forget that leadership in our communities are also there to ignite the community ITSELF to better IT'S SELF. Sounds to me u might be a little jealous that we have so called leaders.
Not, glad your over zealous. Put that energy to work and focus on what you can do with it. Not who's "oppressing" it.:icon_bigg
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I can agree things have changed, but there is STILL A FIGHT and he deserves some credit for what he HAS done and has been apart of in response to that fight. He might be a womanizer, but I don't know any man who isn't and that quite frankly is all u can possibly have against him.

I've never seen ploys for profit out of JJ, What profit is he to make out of saving Mike Vick? Now could Vick be paying him to speak on his behalf, maybe, but u have no proof of that SO REFUSE TO MAKE AN OUT OF URSELF AND ASSUME that that's the case.
Anytime a public figure gets 'free' publicity then they are helping themselves. Trust me, JJ and AS have made a nice living for themselves due to their exploitations.
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What leads you to believe that there's no equal opportunity in this country?
You are being facetious right? Are you serious?
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Not at all and that's the point the fought for the citizens not just the black ones, BUT THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES TO FIGHT FOR THAT CAUSE.
Which would be a noble cause.

You just worded the other post confusing then.
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there is ALWAYS something in our community that HAVE to be spoken out against so that we are treated fairly. Since the issue doesn't necesarily affect u, u deem it as "pulling the race card" but it's not about pulling a card it's about equal and fair opportunities
You refer to "our" community, but you can only be referring to either the Black community or the New Orleans community. And unless you live in New Orleans I doubt you're referring to that one. Which led me to believe you were speaking only of the black citizens who were relocated. Misunderstanding I s'pose. Carry on.:icon_bigg
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I'm being serious. Someone tell me how there is no equal opportunity.
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They do that for statistical purposes.

What leads you to believe that there's no equal opportunity in this country?
Statistical purpose or not we are "grouped" accordingly by every entity that finds it it's business to know what our race is BY IN FACT RACE/COMMUNITY. So the community factor is a no brainer in this nation, don't make it SEEM AS THOUGH RAS and JJ just came up with that t all by there lonesome. early civil rights leaders referred to out community as the black community, early presidents as well.

As far as egaul opportunity is concerned do u think we would have ever needed to have an AMENDMENT for the blacks to have the right to vote if there was equal opportunity, that is still to this day an AMENDMENT that EXPIRES, so logically our right to vote can be taken away at ANY TIME..

If there was equal opportunity would the ***** on the street corner who got caught with a dime bag of weed by able to get off the hook as quickly as Al Gore's son.

Or let's take the black/white out of it, and if u had the same DUI as Paris Hilton, would u be in jail for 1-2yrs or just 20days.

Let's be real about it EQUAL OPPORTUNITY is available, but still on shaky ground honey and that's not just in the black community it's everywhere.
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Not, glad your over zealous. Put that energy to work and focus on what you can do with it. Not who's "oppressing" it.:icon_bigg
If it wasn't for THOSE WHO OPPRESS US WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO FIGHT!!!

And I actually PLAN on focus on myself as a future leader of tomorrow. I plan on attending the national black caucus this year to see what could be done.
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I'm being serious. Someone tell me how there is no equal opportunity.
Statistically, whites earn more than their black counterparts. There are proportionally more whites than blacks in higher education.

I donít have the stats readily available, but if you do not believe me, I will dig them up.

Unfortunately I can not put my own personal experiences in here as "statistics".

I think it is completely ridiculous to assume that "equal opportunity" is a reality for everyone in America. Sure, much has changed, but a lot hasn't.
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Which would be a noble cause.

You just worded the other post confusing then.


You refer to "our" community, but you can only be referring to either the Black community or the New Orleans community. And unless you live in New Orleans I doubt you're referring to that one. Which led me to believe you were speaking only of the black citizens who were relocated. Misunderstanding I s'pose. Carry on.:icon_bigg

My grandfather and other family was from New Orleans but ASIDE from that, I was there primarily for ANYONE who was losing that right to vote, especially the blacks. I think in my clip, the reporter asked why was I there at the march and I mention that i wasn't even from New Orleans I was from Houston, but I felt that it was important to help insure that the right to vote that our ancestors worked so diligently to get us, not be stripped away for any foresakable reason. Got good coverage on that by the way during peek hours, i was impressed with myself.

BTW everyone i'm typing so fast there are some typo's so ahead of time sorry!!
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Statistical purpose or not we are "grouped" accordingly by every entity that finds it it's business to know what our race is BY IN FACT RACE/COMMUNITY. So the community factor is a no brainer in this nation, don't make it SEEM AS THOUGH RAS and JJ just came up with that t all by there lonesome. early civil rights leaders referred to out community as the black community, early presidents as well.

As far as egaul opportunity is concerned do u think we would have ever needed to have an AMENDMENT for the blacks to have the right to vote if there was equal opportunity, that is still to this day an AMENDMENT that EXPIRES, so logically our right to vote can be taken away at ANY TIME..

If there was equal opportunity would the ***** on the street corner who got caught with a dime bag of weed by able to get off the hook as quickly as Al Gore's son.

Or let's take the black/white out of it, and if u had the same DUI as Paris Hilton, would u be in jail for 1-2yrs or just 20days.

Let's be real about it EQUAL OPPORTUNITY is available, but still on shaky ground honey and that's not just in the black community it's everywhere.

Hey I don't like marking down my race either. And in most cases I've found that it's voluntary so I don't answer.

The Civil Rights amendment was 40 years ago. I'm talking about NOW. Trust me, that Amendment will always renew (I didn't know it 'expired') and you'll always have the right to vote.

Your comparisons are without merit. Obviously a rich politician or celebrity is going to get off the hook quicker than a 'regular' person. , I'm going through some legal troubles right now myself. I'm sure if I was rich or if my Uncle was a judge I'd get off the hook, but unfortunantly I'm gonna have to dish out a lot of money that I don't have and hope that everything turns out. So don't think that it's always a race issue. Everyone has problems.

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Hey I don't like marking down my race either. And in most cases I've found that it's voluntary so I don't answer.

The Civil Rights amendment was 40 years ago. I'm talking about NOW. Trust me, that Amendment will always renew (I didn't know it 'expired') and you'll always have the right to vote.

Your comparisons are without merit. Obviously a rich politician or celebrity is going to get off the hook quicker than a 'regular' person. , I'm going through some legal troubles right now myself. I'm sure if I was rich or if my Uncle was a judge I'd get off the hook, but unfortunantly I'm gonna have to dish out a lot of money that I don't have and hope that everything turns out. So don't think that it's always a race issue. Everyone has problems.

THE MERE FACT THAT IT'S AN AMENDMENT AND NOT A RIGHT IS PROOF ENOUGH ON THE EQUALITY FACTOR.

U seem to overlook what merit really is, because EQUAL OPPOTUNITY IS JUST THAT EEEQQUUUALLLL, and whether u are a politicians son, got money or don't shouldn't matter, Equal is Equal.

My great aunt is a JUDGE of precinct 7, and guess what if Candy goes to jail, Candy does not get out free cause she says so, I HAVE TO SUFFER MY CONSEQUENCES.
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Hey I don't like marking down my race either. And in most cases I've found that it's voluntary so I don't answer.

The Civil Rights amendment was 40 years ago. I'm talking about NOW. Trust me, that Amendment will always renew (I didn't know it 'expired') and you'll always have the right to vote.

Your comparisons are without merit. Obviously a rich politician or celebrity is going to get off the hook quicker than a 'regular' person. , I'm going through some legal troubles right now myself. I'm sure if I was rich or if my Uncle was a judge I'd get off the hook, but unfortunantly I'm gonna have to dish out a lot of money that I don't have and hope that everything turns out. So don't think that it's always a race issue. Everyone has problems.
It is hard to not always assume that it is a race issue when many times it has been. People, all people, become jaded. I have been followed around so many times in stores that I no longer ask myself "Are they following me becuase I am young, because they want to help me, or because I am black". I just assume it is because I am black. That what my experiences have led me to believe. As terrible as that sounds, that is the reality that many people live with.
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Statistically, whites earn more than their black counterparts. There are proportionally more whites than blacks in higher education.

I don’t have the stats readily available, but if you do not believe me, I will dig them up.

Unfortunately I can not put my own personal experiences in here as "statistics".

I think it is completely ridiculous to assume that "equal opportunity" is a reality for everyone in America. Sure, much has changed, but a lot hasn't.
Yep the fallacy of equality and equal opportunity for all groups of people across the board is one bought and purchased by many who aren't heavily into scrutinizing what is given them...

One which is still hilarious is that a woman performing the same job as a man, with the same educational and professional merit is paid less...equality, I think not
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My grandfather and other family was from New Orleans but ASIDE from that, I was there primarily for ANYONE who was losing that right to vote, especially the blacks. I think in my clip, the reporter asked why was I there at the march and I mention that i wasn't even from New Orleans I was from Houston, but I felt that it was important to help insure that the right to vote that our ancestors worked so diligently to get us, not be stripped away for any foresakable reason. Got good coverage on that by the way during peek hours, i was impressed with myself.

BTW everyone i'm typing so fast there are some typo's so ahead of time sorry!!
Whoa whoa...those voting rights would have been taken away simply because they weren't living there anymore. Just like you can't vote for the mayor of New York, can you? That has nothing to do with equal rights.
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THE MERE FACT THAT IT'S AN AMENDMENT AND NOT A RIGHT IS PROOF ENOUGH ON THE EQUALITY FACTOR.

U seem to overlook what merit really is, because EQUAL OPPOTUNITY IS JUST THAT EEEQQUUUALLLL, and whether u are a politicians son, got money or don't shouldn't matter, Equal is Equal.

My great aunt is a JUDGE of precinct 7, and guess what if Candy goes to jail, Candy does not get out free cause she says so, I HAVE TO SUFFER MY CONSEQUENCES.

BTW, did I mention I have to suffer the consequences.
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Yep the fallacy of equality and equal opportunity for all groups of people across the board is one bought and purchased by many who aren't heavily into scrutinizing what is given them...

One which is still hilarious is that a woman performing the same job as a man, with the same educational and professional merit is paid less...equality, I think not
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Whoa whoa...those voting rights would have been taken away simply because they weren't living there anymore. Just like you can't vote for the mayor of New York, can you? That has nothing to do with equal rights.
It has everything to do with equal opportunity though. The citizens should all have an opportunity to vote. In the presidential election, if you are oversees an absentee ballot can be requested so that u may vote in that election, in new orleans that was not made readily available.

I wasn't fighting for MY right to vote, just the citizens of N.O. I was supporting their cause!
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It has everything to do with equal opportunity though. The citizens should all have an opportunity to vote. In the presidential election, if you are oversees an absentee ballot can be requested so that u may vote in that election, it new orleans that was not made readily available.

I wasn't fighting for MY right to vote, just the citizens of N.O. I was supporting their cause!
Yeah, one thing I think that is being confused here is that these "relocated citizens" hadn't actually moved out of the state, but were evacuated and therefore still citizens of NO, just displaced citizens. Their voting would then be the equivalent of an absentee vote. They still intended to live in NO but being that their homes were destroyed and they'd have no where to stay...they were living elsewhere (mind you, with the intention of moving back hence, they should continue to have a say in their homes political direction)
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THE MERE FACT THAT IT'S AN AMENDMENT AND NOT A RIGHT IS PROOF ENOUGH ON THE EQUALITY FACTOR.

U seem to overlook what merit really is, because EQUAL OPPOTUNITY IS JUST THAT EEEQQUUUALLLL, and whether u are a politicians son, got money or don't shouldn't matter, Equal is Equal.

My great aunt is a JUDGE of precinct 7, and guess what if Candy goes to jail, Candy does not get out free cause she says so, I HAVE TO SUFFER MY CONSEQUENCES.
I'm not sure what you mean. An Amendment is a change to the Consitution which details our rights as citizens.

I'm all with you. You SHOULD get equal treatment whether your Uncle is a judge, or if you're poor, etc. The justice system is not equal in that respect. This has nothing to do with equal opportunity where race is concerned. I (a white male) have first hand knowledge of this since I'm currently dealing with charges against me. And trust me honey, they're not going to dismiss them just because of my skin color.
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