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Old 07-16-2016, 02:09 PM   #1
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Heads up

TX will be transitioning to the new MSF basic ridercourse curriculum over the next twelve months. The change will dramatically affect riders, as it adds several new elements to training. All current classroom material will be covered in a required preliminary e-course, done by the student prior to his or her class date. Expect an additional five hours spent on a computer. If you don't have a computer, it'll be your responsibility to find one, either at a friend's place or county library. You'll have to show proof of completion to be allowed in the class, and there will be a test right off the bat to check your knowledge.
There will still be five hours of required classroom, but it will deal primarily with helping students more accurately assess risk and will attempt to modify behavior contrary to safe riding through activities.
Range exercises will decrease from the current 17 to 14, but will still take the same amount of time. A new skills test will cap the range work.
Providers have been told they will be required to absorb the added cost of the e-course, so expect mild price bumps from many, if not most, safety schools. The state still controls what sites can charge as a maximum, so it will not exceed current maximum allowable standards.
You can still take the current basic ridercourse at any TX provider, so if five more required hours and higher tuition costs don't appeal to you, take the current course now while it's still available. Remember, one way or another it's mandatory to get your motorcycle endorsement.
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When i renew my licensce my m endorsement will automatically be renewed as well correct ? No seperate steps or refesher courses needed
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This will be coming to some providers in Jan/Feb:

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TX will be transitioning to the new MSF basic ridercourse curriculum over the next twelve months. The change will dramatically affect riders, as it adds several new elements to training. All current classroom material will be covered in a required preliminary e-course, done by the student prior to his or her class date. Expect an additional five hours spent on a computer. If you don't have a computer, it'll be your responsibility to find one, either at a friend's place or county library. You'll have to show proof of completion to be allowed in the class, and there will be a test right off the bat to check your knowledge.
There will still be five hours of required classroom, but it will deal primarily with helping students more accurately assess risk and will attempt to modify behavior contrary to safe riding through activities.
Range exercises will decrease from the current 17 to 14, but will still take the same amount of time. A new skills test will cap the range work.
Providers have been told they will be required to absorb the added cost of the e-course, so expect mild price bumps from many, if not most, safety schools. The state still controls what sites can charge as a maximum, so it will not exceed current maximum allowable standards.
You can still take the current basic ridercourse at any TX provider, so if five more required hours and higher tuition costs don't appeal to you, take the current course now while it's still available. Remember, one way or another it's mandatory to get your motorcycle endorsement.
Note: Not all providers will be updating right away. If you don't want to spend an extra three hours on an e-Course, call around. If you need a course and can't spend weeks waiting or need something on short notice, call around. You'll find providers that can accommodate you, at least for a while. Bottom line: take your course NOW and get this done and over with.
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Oh and a small note, if your kid wants to ride a small 49cc scooter---they must take the WHOLE motorcycle course. Texas laws are weird...
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That is correct. Good news is, tho, they can do the course on their scooter.
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That is correct. Good news is, tho, they can do the course on their scooter.
Only if it runs or not leaking gas. Dang cheap chineses knock offs!

Btw, my nieces enjoyed your class.
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I completed the BRCu Coach Update class in October. Here is what DPS is telling us:

1) The target date for ALL sites to switch over is October 2017.
2) The eCourse takes about 3 hours to complete (coaches had to take it for the update).
3) Texas will NOT require additional written testing initially. They are going to accept the eCourse completion certificate as the 'written' test. DPS is reserving the option to add additional written testing later IF decided it's needed.
4) The range skills are more 'real world' and definitely more fun (after Ex. 3).
5) Skills examine is now 5 skills taken as 2 parts. You MUST pass the first 4 with 10 or less points or you fail.
6) Max cost for the BRC is still going to be $235.

The only additional time will be the eCourse. You don't have to do all of it in one sitting, but you must complete it before attending the class part.

And something of interest: After the BRCu switchover is completed, DPS will begin switching over the BRC2 to the BRCu2 and will allow it to be used as a 1 day licensing course like the current IRC. No word on what the cost will be for a BRCu2 Licensing class will be, but guessing $250 minimum like the current IRC.


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TX will be transitioning to the new MSF basic ridercourse curriculum over the next twelve months. The change will dramatically affect riders, as it adds several new elements to training. All current classroom material will be covered in a required preliminary e-course, done by the student prior to his or her class date. Expect an additional five hours spent on a computer. If you don't have a computer, it'll be your responsibility to find one, either at a friend's place or county library. You'll have to show proof of completion to be allowed in the class, and there will be a test right off the bat to check your knowledge.
There will still be five hours of required classroom, but it will deal primarily with helping students more accurately assess risk and will attempt to modify behavior contrary to safe riding through activities.
Range exercises will decrease from the current 17 to 14, but will still take the same amount of time. A new skills test will cap the range work.
Providers have been told they will be required to absorb the added cost of the e-course, so expect mild price bumps from many, if not most, safety schools. The state still controls what sites can charge as a maximum, so it will not exceed current maximum allowable standards.
You can still take the current basic ridercourse at any TX provider, so if five more required hours and higher tuition costs don't appeal to you, take the current course now while it's still available. Remember, one way or another it's mandatory to get your motorcycle endorsement.
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Old 01-28-2017, 09:59 AM   #10
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Train now..save time, save $$$

We now know that the state will allow only the new basic ridercourse after December, 2017. As stated by other folks above, expect to spend between 3 and 4 hours taking a mandatory e-course prior to your class. There will be NO exceptions to this requirement! That means the days of walk-ins, last minute signups and "I forgot to do it, can I make it up later?" are coming to an end.

Anyone who shows up for their class without having completed the e-course will be sent home and will have to pay again to take the class. As the state continues to push more and more of the costs of training onto providers, they simply cannot afford to eat other folks' mistakes anymore.

Bottom line, take the class NOW before your local providers make the switch. Save time, save money and get legal.

(Yes, our state has a pot of money, almost $19 million, sitting unused, a fund we as motorcyclists have paid into every time we license or register our bikes. That's money that could be used to help offset the costs of training in our state, but that, for some reason, our DPS will not free up for use. But that's a topic for another thread.....)

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There is the possibility of the 'switch date' being pushed further. Seems getting all the Rider Coaches transitioned to the new BRCu is becoming quite the task (not to mention the 32% failure rate on the pretest).

The DPS MSU is considering allowing Sponsors to do limited amounts of 5x5x10 classes for those who just cannot or will not go online to complete the eCourse. Last I heard is only every 3-4 months (but subject to change).

As for the funds paid for license/registration, it's not DPS MSU that is 'sitting' on them, but our Texas legislator. They are the ones who have not been releasing them to the MSU. By state law, those funds are only allowed to go to the MSU for "training materials and promotional materials". The state did release a good sized chuck last year and the MSU was finally able to purchase some new training bikes (although not near enough to replace the aging fleet) and they are releasing more funds this year. A lot has also been used to cover some of the costs of updating the coaches training, repainting ranges, and providing the new class materials.

I still stand by my comments that this new updated curriculum will be tougher, but not necessarily a bad thing. It all depends on the coaches and the students commitment to the program. You only get out of it what you put into it.

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We now know that the state will allow only the new basic ridercourse after December, 2017. As stated by other folks above, expect to spend between 3 and 4 hours taking a mandatory e-course prior to your class. There will be NO exceptions to this requirement! That means the days of walk-ins, last minute signups and "I forgot to do it, can I make it up later?" are coming to an end.

Anyone who shows up for their class without having completed the e-course will be sent home and will have to pay again to take the class. As the state continues to push more and more of the costs of training onto providers, they simply cannot afford to eat other folks' mistakes anymore.

Bottom line, take the class NOW before your local providers make the switch. Save time, save money and get legal.

(Yes, our state has a pot of money, almost $19 million, sitting unused, a fund we as motorcyclists have paid into every time we license or register our bikes. That's money that could be used to help offset the costs of training in our state, but that, for some reason, our DPS will not free up for use. But that's a topic for another thread.....)

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Just don't forget to check the box to renew your endorsement. If you don't, DPS won't do it for you and it will drop off.

I've had a couple of students retake the class because they forgot the double check before renewing.

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As for the funds paid for license/registration, it's not DPS MSU that is 'sitting' on them, but our Texas legislator. They are the ones who have not been releasing them to the MSU. By state law, those funds are only allowed to go to the MSU for "training materials and promotional materials". The state did release a good sized chuck last year and the MSU was finally able to purchase some new training bikes (although not near enough to replace the aging fleet) and they are releasing more funds this year. A lot has also been used to cover some of the costs of updating the coaches training, repainting ranges, and providing the new class materials.

Without this trying to be a personal attack of your credibility,where do you derive your information? Essentially that 19 mil has been sitting in that account and only getting larger for almost ten years. It was supposed to go for motorcycle safety programs and is not the sole entity of the MSU. It can also be used by TxDot for safety awareness and other programs designed for rider safety and awareness. As it sits you can be assured it is pretty much an IOU, as it is currently used to balance the budget. As far as the legislature is concerned they have nothing to do with this as it has already been passed and put into law. The DPS is what is currently holding up the process and not the legislature. That big "chunk" that they supposedly got for materials, range painting, new bikes, etc. has not been touched. The amount you refer to is 2.4 million and has not been drawn upon as of this date and being held up at the higher levels of DPS-once again this is not legislature. MSU has been running on their current budget to fund the purchase of training bikes, raises, the hiring of additional personal for "compliance" etc. Once the fiscal year ends, we anticipate that money will be absorbed into the DPS as a whole and used to fund other programs that they currently administer and the MSU will either see very little or none at all. Several individuals have been watching this very closely and if this scenario plays out I pretty much suspect they will no longer receive this support in the future no matter how much they beg and whine. At that time their are other avenues that will be pursued to better provide for rider safety. As far as verifying if the money is spent or not you can do an open records request and they have to comply by law.
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