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Old 07-01-2016, 04:10 PM   #1
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Tire Reviews

A while back I started a tire life thread that went pretty well. A discussion on another forum got me thinking about a thread for performance reviews. I know this thread will be full of opinions, but I ask that you be as clear as possible when stating your likes and dislikes. Also provide information pertinent to the tire's behavior (pressure too high caused slipping, lower pressured fixed it, etc.)

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Old 07-01-2016, 04:11 PM   #2
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Tire: Michelin PP3

Bike: 2007 DL1000

Pros: Excellent wet and dry traction. No issues with 2x posted in the rain, and I'd wheelie before the tires broke loose.

Soft carcass provides lots of feedback.

Predictable slippage. Slow to break loose and regained traction smoothly. No snapping loose and jerking when they finally bite.

Cons: Prone to cupping.

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Tire: Pirelli Diablo Rosso II

Bike: Ninja 500

Pros: Stickiest street tire I've run.

Excellent feedback.

Cons: None that I found, performance-wise.

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Tire: Dunlop Q3

Bike: FZ1

Pros: Great dry traction (no slip at >3x posted). No experience on wet roads with these.

Cons: Poor feedback. I got the feeling these tires would break loose at any moment without warning. I know Dunlops tend to like lower pressures, so in all fairness I may have been running them a bit high (32/34 instead of 30/32).

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Tire: Bridgestone Hypersport S21

Bike: FZ1

Pros: Very good dry traction (only rain experience was straight-line). I've lifted the front mid-turn under heavy throttle without them breaking loose.

Decent feedback (not as good as the PP3 but much better than the Q3)

When they do break loose, they recover smoothly, but (see below)

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When they slip, they slip quick. I've broken them loose twice so far; once with dirt on the road and once when I cut too close and hit the center stripe. These are both situations I've been in with the PP3's, and the Michelin's held on longer and slipped much slower. Again, this could have been due to higher pressures than I should have been running. I bumped them up because of the 60+ mile slab trip to the meet spot.
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Old 07-01-2016, 04:30 PM   #3
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Tire: MICHELIN Pilot Road 4

Bike: CBR1000RR

Pros: It's all good. With my garage at 92 degrees, the cold tire temp pressure was set at 36 front (recommended), 40 rear (42 is recommended). I didn't have any traction issues staying with knee draggers who were running track pressure on the Three Sisters.

Cons: With the extreme siping it gives the appearance that not much rubber is touching the pavement. I guess looks aren't everything
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Tire: Continental TKC80 Front Hidendau K60 Rear

Bike: 2015 KTM 1190S

Pros: Front-Great on road grip for a knobby tire all the way to the edge. Great traction in dirt and not so deep sand
Rear-Lasts forever, great grip on the road and ok grip in the dirt and not so deep sand.

Cons-Front-You can feel the knobs at low speeds, wears quickly with hard braking
Rear-No siping since its a solid rubber strip down the center
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Old 07-31-2016, 08:32 PM   #5
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I retract my endorsement of the S21's. OK tire for moderate (2x +10) street riding, but definitely not a tire for aggressive riding.
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Old 07-31-2016, 08:38 PM   #6
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I retract my endorsement of the S21's. OK tire for moderate (2x +10) street riding, but definitely not a tire for aggressive riding.
I am curious why you say this? I currently have some on my track bike and they are good enough for me to run consistent low 1:50s at MSRH.

Only time I had an issue with grip was at the tail end of a 30 min session.. with that said I was on rails for the other 20-25 mins of hard track riding.

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Old 07-31-2016, 08:49 PM   #7
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I am curious why you say this? I currently have some on my track bike and they are good enough for me to run consistent low 1:50s at MSRH.

Only time I had an issue with grip was at the tail end of a 30 min session.. with that said I was on rails for the other 20-25 mins of hard track riding.
Are you putting them on warmers? I don't think they hold heat well. I was turning ~2:00 laps out there this weekend and taking it fairly easy until at least the second lap. Right side is pristine, but the left side of the tire has several of these:

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Old 11-06-2016, 07:18 PM   #8
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Well, folks...looks like I will be reinstating my endorsement of the S21's. The traction and tearing issues I was having were not due to the tire. It was all suspension. Had the suspension readjusted this morning and within 80 miles of spirited riding the tears in the edges were gone. Bike is planted, and the rear doesn't squirm at all. Guess I'll be keeping these longer than I thought.

For those interested, these were my suspension issues:

Front:

Too much sag
Comp and rebound adjusters way too far in.

Rear:

Not enough sag
Compression too stiff
Not enough rebound damping (rebound too fast, developed "stair step" tire wear)
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Just saw your response, glad you got them sorted. FYI I dont use warmers. These tires really are the bees knees!
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Tire: MICHELIN Pilot Road 4

Bike: CBR1000RR

Pros: It's all good. With my garage at 92 degrees, the cold tire temp pressure was set at 36 front (recommended), 40 rear (42 is recommended). I didn't have any traction issues staying with knee draggers who were running track pressure on the Three Sisters.

Cons: With the extreme siping it gives the appearance that not much rubber is touching the pavement. I guess looks aren't everything

I have the PR4's on my 500R since December of last year, I have put almost 10,000 mile since then and have not had any issue. I dont really do any spirited riding mostly commuting and riding at night on the highway about 100. plus driving to College Station every week at about 100 (keeping up with traffic on HWY 6)

Still have a couple hundred miles left.
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