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Old 07-26-2007, 10:23 AM   #81
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alot of my friends think I am nuts for what I do on the track gear or no gear. See what I am saying?


Helmets should be a choice not a dang law.
Is there anyone here thinks Gixxerbill is nuts? We no longer think you are nuts, we KNOW.:notworthy

Helmet laws is like seatbelt laws, it's there to save lives. AND, to make money.
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Is there anyone here thinks Gixxerbill is nuts? We no longer think you are nuts, we KNOW.:notworthy

Helmet laws is like seatbelt laws, it's there to save lives. AND, to make money.
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[QUOTE=level5;681384]Is there anyone here thinks Gixxerbill is nuts? We no longer think you are nuts, we KNOW.:notworthy

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did you know that a cop can pull you over JUST because you had no lid, and to check that you meet the qualifications.
Actually, he can pull you over even if you are wearing a lid just to inspect it.

TRC 661.004.

AUTHORITY OF PEACE OFFICER TO INSPECT PROTECTIVE HEADGEAR.

Any peace officer may stop and detain a person who is a motorcycle operator or passenger to inspect the person's protective headgear for compliance with the safety standards prescribed by the department.
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Sorry but if you get into a wreck, and say you didn't wear a helmet and you got killed. Say in the same senario you could have been wearing a helmet and it could have saved your life. What should I feel for you. There are a lot of low speed crashes that people could have survived if they would have had a helmet. But in this case you are right I could care less, you didn't care to wear something as simple as a helmet.

As for your example, if you do everything to protect yourself and you still end up dead, I will feel remorse. Just cause you did take the precautions, and wore a helmet.

The reason why insurance rates are so dam high, is cause people dont really calculate the actual risk of what they do, and end up dead as a result. Sure it is dangerous to ride a bike, and sure you can end up dead. But if you don't wear proper gear and dont take precautions when you can and will go down. I have no remorse for you, I don't and choose not to ride with people that dont wear gear. I will not be the one that picks up the pieces cause you didn't take that one extra step to protect yourself from the inevitable crash that we all will have at some time.

PS I am not advocating wearing a helmet or not, if you choose not that is your choice, but I will not feel sorry for you when your dead, since you very well might be alive if you had it on
Ok, you won't feel remorse for me if I die because I not wearing a helmet(for some reason I don't think I will care about that if that happens ) Do you think there should be a law that you have to wear one? Hmmm?
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I am not an advocate either way for or against a helmet, we all have choices in life to make. The choice of wearing a lid and not wearing a lid, can be the choice of living and death.

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Well, that's cool. I am glad you are not pushing for another law. Like I said I wear one alot more than I use to because I have had some get offs and my helmet did help. Just sometimes I don't want to. I have been riding for 25 years and thank the Lord I have only went down twice(bad road conditions that is the reason I wear a lid any time I think it is going to rain) on the street(three times on the track) both times with no gear and no injuries.
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Sorry but if you get into a wreck, and say you didn't wear a helmet and you got killed. Say in the same senario you could have been wearing a helmet and it could have saved your life. What should I feel for you. There are a lot of low speed crashes that people could have survived if they would have had a helmet. But in this case you are right I could care less, you didn't care to wear something as simple as a helmet.

As for your example, if you do everything to protect yourself and you still end up dead, I will feel remorse. Just cause you did take the precautions, and wore a helmet.

The reason why insurance rates are so dam high, is cause people dont really calculate the actual risk of what they do, and end up dead as a result. Sure it is dangerous to ride a bike, and sure you can end up dead. But if you don't wear proper gear and dont take precautions when you can and will go down. I have no remorse for you, I don't and choose not to ride with people that dont wear gear. I will not be the one that picks up the pieces cause you didn't take that one extra step to protect yourself from the inevitable crash that we all will have at some time.

PS I am not advocating wearing a helmet or not, if you choose not that is your choice, but I will not feel sorry for you when your dead, since you very well might be alive if you had it on
While I agree with most of what you have said, I don't really believe the highlighted sentence to be true. I would bet the the average hospital bill and related costs would be higher for someone who substained a head injury and survived because of a helmet vs someone substaining a head injury without a helmet and probably dying.
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I concur

i think that it should be a choice then again if I am the lifeflight helicopter who get a call to pick up a wreck victim on a bike no helmet or an infant that was injured in a car seat in a crash involving a tractor trailer i would think that on the bike should have worn a helmet, and as a tax payer I don't want emergency crew responding to preventable injury accedence I don't care if your mountain climbing Base jumping or jet skiing on a lake its your choice but sometimes your choice affects others people when a helicopter land on a freeway the shut that freeway down this inconveniences a bunch of people it also cost a bunch of money

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/15/wha....ap/index.html this guy is stupid he tied up emergency crews

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17946049/ this guy was stupid to This guy cost his city thousands in time it took to rescue him. I would have hit the bird with a tranquilizer gun and caught it when it fell. Or I would have thrown rocks at it.Hopefully, this idiot has the birds wings clipped after this. You know this guy was not charged for the cost of the Helicopter ride because he was trying to rescue something. Anyway i got off topic I think we all have choices sometimes we just put ourselves in precarious places because of our own personal freedom of choice

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I don't want to turn this into a helmet or not thread but I think it is the choice of the rider. I don't wear a helmet sometime because I just don't want to. I do wear helmets if I am pushing it curvy roads, stunting or lots of traffic around. But out in the country or an open interstate sometimes I just don't want to wear it. It feels better not wearing it.

I mean sometimes I think people think helmets are a guaranteed policy against injury or death. They are not. They just help. Motorcyle riding has inherent risk period. If you were worried about being safe, you shouldn't ride because it is dangerous hobby period. But to say you wouldn't care if someone died if they weren't wearing a lid is just plain wrong. It is still a lost of life and you should care.

What if someone died at the track wearing full gear would you not care either, I mean they are going around corners at a 100mph, at full lean draging their knee. Do you think they are fools too? No, alot of my friends think I am nuts for what I do on the track gear or no gear. See what I am saying?


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"Tell all of your buddies to stay off of 1960".

^ This is Illegal too.

And my helmet has DOT stamped on the back. No need to pull over and inspect.

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^ This is Illegal too.
Why is that illegal. He didn't say "or they'll get tickets." Therefore not a threat.

Maybe its "implied," but good luck with proving that.
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I was just speaking of the finical aspect and averages. I would imaging that you can get cremated for just a few hundred dollars instead of doing the whole funeral thing. And you are right, the truth of the matter is that we will never know if someone could have survived either way, helmet or not.
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^ This is Illegal too.

And my helmet has DOT stamped on the back. No need to pull over and inspect.
well he can't read the small print, so he can pull you over. unless you have DOT in like 6" letters across the back of your helmet. i know mine is DOT/SNALL painted in lil white letters across the back of the lid. but any more then 2-3ft and you can't read it.

had a kid in class who had a nice shoei, DOT approved, didn't like the sticker so he took it off, was actin a jackass, and got a ticket for a non DOT lid. cops don't know which lids are what.
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Get your act together and you won't be getting lame tickets.

... or you can come to the track and learn how to actually ride those silly looking bikes.
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well he can't read the small print, so he can pull you over. unless you have DOT in like 6" letters across the back of your helmet. i know mine is DOT/SNALL painted in lil white letters across the back of the lid. but any more then 2-3ft and you can't read it.

had a kid in class who had a nice shoei, DOT approved, didn't like the sticker so he took it off, was actin a jackass, and got a ticket for a non DOT lid. cops don't know which lids are what.
I knew that you'd come up with a response like that.

You can see it clearly from the rear. No need to 'inspect'. I hope to get pulled over for some stupid reason like that.

Reminds me of the time I got pulled over for no license plate light (which I had). I pointed out the light (to the officer) and quoted 547.302 which says I don't need a license plate light during the day. Made him look like a fool in front of his partner.
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You can see it clearly from the rear. No need to 'inspect'. I hope to get pulled over for some stupid reason like that.

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so from how far can you read it?
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so from how far can you read it?
If an officer pulls you over to ensure that your helmet is DOT compliant ... then he sees the sticker on your helmet as he approaches then legally the traffic stop is over. He's supposed to let you go at that point.

I couldn't find the law about the reflectors. Which one is it?
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If an officer pulls you over to ensure that your helmet is DOT compliant ... then he sees the sticker on your helmet as he approaches then legally the traffic stop is over. He's supposed to let you go at that point.

I couldn't find the law about the reflectors. Which one is it?
then he will just make something else up like they always do :eh:
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then he will just make something else up like they always do :eh:
I know, right?

It's was funny, when I pointed out the license plate light to the officer he said 'Well .... that's still not ...". He was at a loss of words.

He was a bike hater. Just wanted to harass me. That's why I'm laughing about it.
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