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Old 07-26-2007, 11:20 AM   #61
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I believe the rule was brought about to try and level the playing field, instead of letting the people with the most money to throw at a problem own the tire business.
If Bridgestone can make a tire versatile enough to work / has their together enough to choose tires 2 days in advance, Michelin and the others need to step up their game imo.

In the meantime, Rossi better get back on his game, or this will be the second year in a row he's lost the championship.
I think Stoner may be under his skin. Rossi has made some unwise decisions while racing, taking chances where he didn't before.
I also think Casey has shown that unlike Sete, he is not intimidated by the "Doctor".

I agree completely

I also understand Edwards quote too.

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In the meantime, Rossi better get back on his game, or this will be the second year in a row he's lost the championship.
Are you thinking Sachenring?
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Now, I don't want to take anything away from Stoner.... knows he's run an absolutely fantastic season. I've seen him make maybe riding 2 mistakes all year. But he's never been a dominant racer, in any of the World GP series. This year alone, he has doubled his win total (6) of his past 6 seasons combined! Riders don't just develop overnight (or during the offseason) to utterly dominant racers. I'm of the opinion that he's on the best bike with the best rubber underneath him. That makes a winning combination.

Rossi has been a dominant racer since the day he joined the World GP racing series. It was mentioned that he's a 5 time world champion, well he's actually a 7 time world champion! He's won those 7 championships during an 11 year career. If you take away his 1st year in 125GP, he's never finished lower than 2nd in any class.

If Rossi says the tires are the reason he's falling short, then I believe him. His record speaks for itself, he has no reason to make excuses. I am a diehard Rossi fan, but putting that aside, I still think he's the most dominant racer in the world and would put money on him in any heads up race...

He mentioned that Assen was the only time this year he felt as though he was on equal playing ground as the Ducatis, look at the results. I believe that in every race but one, he was the top Michelin finisher. That speaks volumes to me.

I'm a Nicky fan, but he was not the most dominant racer in the series last year. Rossi won 5 of the 17 races and was in the lead in 2 others when he had tire/mechanical failures.

People are saying Rossi has lost his edge, that he's over the hill and all. I don't buy it, I honestly believe he is suffering from performance woes that even his skills can't always overcome.

All in all, Stoner is doing a fantastic job racing this year and truly taking advantage of the situation he's in. Rossi isn't riding a perfect season (crash at Sachsenring, doh!) and is having tire issues and mechanical deficiencies to deal with. But he's still in 2nd place and has a fighting chance. Look at how he closed out last season (save for Valencia, another doh!). I don't think he's out of it, but I definitely think things need to change in order for him to win the title.
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Now, I don't want to take anything away from Stoner.... knows he's run an absolutely fantastic season. I've seen him make maybe riding 2 mistakes all year. But he's never been a dominant racer, in any of the World GP series. This year alone, he has doubled his win total (6) of his past 6 seasons combined! Riders don't just develop overnight (or during the offseason) to utterly dominant racers. I'm of the opinion that he's on the best bike with the best rubber underneath him. That makes a winning combination.

Rossi has been a dominant racer since the day he joined the World GP racing series. It was mentioned that he's a 5 time world champion, well he's actually a 7 time world champion! He's won those 7 championships during an 11 year career. If you take away his 1st year in 125GP, he's never finished lower than 2nd in any class.

If Rossi says the tires are the reason he's falling short, then I believe him. His record speaks for itself, he has no reason to make excuses. I am a diehard Rossi fan, but putting that aside, I still think he's the most dominant racer in the world and would put money on him in any heads up race...

He mentioned that Assen was the only time this year he felt as though he was on equal playing ground as the Ducatis, look at the results. I believe that in every race but one, he was the top Michelin finisher. That speaks volumes to me.

I'm a Nicky fan, but he was not the most dominant racer in the series last year. Rossi won 5 of the 17 races and was in the lead in 2 others when he had tire/mechanical failures.

People are saying Rossi has lost his edge, that he's over the hill and all. I don't buy it, I honestly believe he is suffering from performance woes that even his skills can't always overcome.

All in all, Stoner is doing a fantastic job racing this year and truly taking advantage of the situation he's in. Rossi isn't riding a perfect season (crash at Sachsenring, doh!) and is having tire issues and mechanical deficiencies to deal with. But he's still in 2nd place and has a fighting chance. Look at how he closed out last season (save for Valencia, another doh!). I don't think he's out of it, but I definitely think things need to change in order for him to win the title.

Can anyone say Freddie Spencer?
In his own words, one day something just "clicked" and he got A LOT faster.
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Can anyone say Freddie Spencer?
In his own words, one day something just "clicked" and he got A LOT faster.
Kind of what I was thinking.......maybe Stoner is just the best rider this year?
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Can anyone say Freddie Spencer?
In his own words, one day something just "clicked" and he got A LOT faster.
Maybe, but that happened during his 'developmental years' as a racer... racing here in America. By the time Freddy hit the world cicuit, he was already a dominant racer! In his first year of international racing he won two sections of the Trans Atlantic Match Races beating Kenny Roberts and Barry Sheene! In his first year of 500GP racing he finished 3rd overall and was a race winner.

Stoner hasn't accomplished any feats similar.

Again, I think Stoner is racing a fantastic season... even with great equipment, he has to be an effective racer to win. Look at Capirossi on the same stuff.

But the dramatic turnaround seems strange to me. Kinda like how all of a sudden Bonds was able to hit 73 homeruns when he'd never hit more than 45 or so in a single season.




Maybe Stoner is on HGH... let's see if his head gets any bigger. :icon_bigg
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As mentioned before. I think the F1 tire rule immensely helped levelt he filed a bit. Last year you would hear the interviews and many of the riders were or sayin how they're opponent's brand was better here and there. This year when everyone is under the same tire manuf. you don't hear anyone EVER complain about their opponents tires.

When its all said and done its never ever going to be about who the best rider is... it's going to be about who's got the best package and what they can make of it.
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Now, I don't want to take anything away from Stoner.... knows he's run an absolutely fantastic season. I've seen him make maybe riding 2 mistakes all year. But he's never been a dominant racer, in any of the World GP series. This year alone, he has doubled his win total (6) of his past 6 seasons combined! Riders don't just develop overnight (or during the offseason) to utterly dominant racers. I'm of the opinion that he's on the best bike with the best rubber underneath him. That makes a winning combination.

Rossi has been a dominant racer since the day he joined the World GP racing series. It was mentioned that he's a 5 time world champion, well he's actually a 7 time world champion! He's won those 7 championships during an 11 year career. If you take away his 1st year in 125GP, he's never finished lower than 2nd in any class.

If Rossi says the tires are the reason he's falling short, then I believe him. His record speaks for itself, he has no reason to make excuses. I am a diehard Rossi fan, but putting that aside, I still think he's the most dominant racer in the world and would put money on him in any heads up race...

He mentioned that Assen was the only time this year he felt as though he was on equal playing ground as the Ducatis, look at the results. I believe that in every race but one, he was the top Michelin finisher. That speaks volumes to me.

I'm a Nicky fan, but he was not the most dominant racer in the series last year. Rossi won 5 of the 17 races and was in the lead in 2 others when he had tire/mechanical failures.

People are saying Rossi has lost his edge, that he's over the hill and all. I don't buy it, I honestly believe he is suffering from performance woes that even his skills can't always overcome.

All in all, Stoner is doing a fantastic job racing this year and truly taking advantage of the situation he's in. Rossi isn't riding a perfect season (crash at Sachsenring, doh!) and is having tire issues and mechanical deficiencies to deal with. But he's still in 2nd place and has a fighting chance. Look at how he closed out last season (save for Valencia, another doh!). I don't think he's out of it, but I definitely think things need to change in order for him to win the title.

I'm not a racing expert. IMO all of you in the last posts are very right because I do follow this closely. Also, yall are crackin me up :icon_smil. Some good readin here. Good points comming left and right. I don't think Stoner needs HGH though..... Maybe Maladin . Also, Rossi is the KING. If he says something isn't right for him to win. Thats why he is not winning. Simple enough. You can't give the guy an SV-650 an tell the guy to go kick some out there. :laughing6 He might make some bad decisions because he doin everything beyond the bikes ability to WIN! I love that and respect it. Also what Steve said about Rossi's performance last year was right on.


Stoner is in harmony right now. Short an simple. Stoner and his team will stay that way till they do a coin toss on MotoGP's rules again I'm sure.

One thing is sure..... the promoters got what they wanted......alot of turmoil in the sport, higher ratings and great racing!
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One thing is sure..... the promoters got what they wanted......alot of turmoil in the sport, higher ratings and great racing!
Best words said in this whole thread!
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