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Old 07-23-2007, 02:56 PM   #21
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"He said he passed a couple of riders, came in too hot, blew the turn..."

So basically he was riding over his limit. This is what is turning me off about trackdays lately. These idiots that think they're in a race. YOU CAN'T WIN AT PRACTICE!!!

very true, just ask Godsuki no pun intended there Tim..
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"He said he passed a couple of riders, came in too hot, blew the turn..."

So basically he was riding over his limit. This is what is turning me off about trackdays lately. These idiots that think they're in a race. YOU CAN'T WIN AT PRACTICE!!!
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When you go to the track it is every person for themselves. You cannot blame anybody for the accident. You have to accept all responsibilites while you are out there.

You may be able to go after blood but you def. cannot go after money.
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Patricia,

I hope that all goes well with your recovery and you are able to get back on the track.

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When you go to the track it is every person for themselves. You cannot blame anybody for the accident. You have to accept all responsibilites while you are out there.

You may be able to go after blood but you def. cannot go after money.

You can blame them, but I agree, you can't or at least should not go after them. If you go after a rider, the lawyers will no doubt include the organization. Insurance will go up, and then bye bye trackdays.
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As far as who you are as a person, your attitude is certainly commendable. I know for a fact that if some asshat were to totally disregard the "rules" I would not be so calm about the situation. I feel really bad and I wasn't even involved. All of the you will have to deal with because of someone else's lack of concern.
Thanks. It took some restraint, trust me. But we were told to be polite, so we were.

What bugs me most is that the guy first didn't even have the desency to acknowledge what he did. He never came up to us to apologize or say anything. It shouldn't have been hard for him as he was pitted right across from us on the other side of the midsection table. If you cause a wreck, no matter how you feel, go up to the person and be a man and apologize. Show them that you know you fu&%ed up and you aren't ignorant about it.

I have to say though, the instructors did an excellent job showing and making the guy understand where he went wrong.

I have to thank the people who pointed him out to me (you know who you are, thanks sooo much!). It really bugged me that I had to go up to him to make him tell me what happened.
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THIS IS EXACTLY WHY NO NAMES NEED TO BE MENTIONED TO THE PUBLIC.

all involved parties should keep it between themselves.

Don't get me wrong C, I've no interest in names or 'enforcing justice'. Just stating how I would feel If it happened to me.
As an oustide, my concern would be assurance there would be no/minimal risk of...carelessness on the part of the particular rider again.
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When you go to the track it is every person for themselves. You cannot blame anybody for the accident.
I agree but to a certain extent it was the guy's fault. The rider in front of you ALWAYS has the right of way. If it comes down to it you should ditch your own bike instead of running into someone. Heck even when we're racing I won't attempt to pass unless I can make it clean (lucky for some of you ).
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As an oustide, my concern would be assurance there would be no/minimal risk of...carelessness on the part of the particular rider again.
Which is why I was dissapointed to hear that the rider was moved up into another group:eh:
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Which is why I was dissapointed to hear that the rider was moved up into another group:eh:
I think that he should've been booted. JMO
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You can blame them, but I agree, you can't or at least should not go after them. If you go after a rider, the lawyers will no doubt include the organization. Insurance will go up, and then bye bye trackdays.
I am sure that somewhere in the disclaimer that we all sign upon entering the track, it releaves the organization for all responsibilities.

I know that I dont read it nor have ever read it. I just sign my name away.
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Don't get me wrong C, I've no interest in names or 'enforcing justice'. Just stating how I would feel If it happened to me.
As an oustide, my concern would be assurance there would be no/minimal risk of...carelessness on the part of the particular rider again.
i agree with your feelings, but at the same time try to regulate the drama.

the rider could've and should've handled the approach with Patricia differently (like a man). If i do something wrong like make too close of a pass on someone i at least give em the "sorry about that wave" which may not be totally acceptable with them at the time but, it does acknowledge that i'm aware of what i did. I also do my best to not do that again.

Sometimes we as riders do find ourselves in a not so good situation, it's avoidable although a close call at the same time, and i think that we try to figure out what went wrong and correct the problem. it happens to all of us.

I was really worried for patricia as i rolled up to the scene and knew exactly who it was, i did my best to give her some comfort b/c as far as i knew at the time, i was the only one there that she knew, the others were prolly strangers to her so i tried to give her as much comfort as i could possibly give, and would do the same for anyone in that same position. i am really glad that everything turned out to be ok for her and she was able to come home at the end of the day instead of finding a new address for a short period of time at a hospital
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I think that he should've been booted. JMO
alot of opinions were flying around, but in the end as joneric stated, we all sign a waiver.
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i agree with your feelings, but at the same time try to regulate the drama.

the rider could've and should've handled the approach with Patricia differently (like a man). If i do something wrong like make too close of a pass on someone i at least give em the "sorry about that wave" which may not be totally acceptable with them at the time but, it does acknowledge that i'm aware of what i did. I also do my best to not do that again.

Sometimes we as riders do find ourselves in a not so good situation, it's avoidable although a close call at the same time, and i think that we try to figure out what went wrong and correct the problem. it happens to all of us.

I was really worried for patricia as i rolled up to the scene and knew exactly who it was, i did my best to give her some comfort b/c as far as i knew at the time, i was the only one there that she knew, the others were prolly strangers to her so i tried to give her as much comfort as i could possibly give, and would do the same for anyone in that same position. i am really glad that everything turned out to be ok for her and she was able to come home at the end of the day instead of finding a new address for a short period of time at a hospital
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his insurance should have to pay to fix her bike or get her new leathers. maybe not a big deal if you have full coverage but for the liability only riders, they shouldn't have to pay to fix their stuff on the basis of someone else's actions. i'd still get his contact info and get his insurance to pay for my losses. just replace it is all i'd ask for
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I am sure that somewhere in the disclaimer that we all sign upon entering the track, it releaves the organization for all responsibilities.

Oh, No doubt. I'm not a lawyer, but I've always questioned the strength of those things though. Maybe it was a television show that I was watching where they said you can't sign away your rights. :dontknow:
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When you go to the track it is every person for themselves. You cannot blame anybody for the accident. You have to accept all responsibilites while you are out there.

You may be able to go after blood but you def. cannot go after money.
I don't agree... as state there are certain, 'rules' applied to certain classes.
If you violate these 'rules', particularly if you do so deliberately, the you should be prepared to face all the consequences of it.


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i agree with your feelings, but at the same time try to regulate the drama.

the rider could've and should've handled the approach with Patricia differently (like a man). If i do something wrong like make too close of a pass on someone i at least give em the "sorry about that wave" which may not be totally acceptable with them at the time but, it does acknowledge that i'm aware of what i did. I also do my best to not do that again.
+1, I agree on the whole idea of regulating drama....but maybe have them sit out a session or two to think about what they did wrong....kinda like the timeout thing in Kindergarten.

I think I'm more dissapointed about the no apology or anything and the fact that he had to be approached. Even I apologized to some guy on an SV after I made a somewhat close pass after coming out of the chicane. It took me all of 5 minutes to walk around the paddock to find him and tell him I was sorry for the "spook"

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alot of opinions were flying around, but in the end as joneric stated, we all sign a waiver.
This is true....
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I hope you feel better soon. a few years ago I was t bone my a man coming out of his neighborhood in his car. I had only had my bike 11 days I had a foot gash but not a big as yours, knee and right leg scraped up good but jacket and helmet spared the rest of me. Get well soon pm me a address I'd like to send you a card.
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