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Old 02-08-2016, 11:30 AM   #61
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Or when instructors tell you to keep doing what your doing, give no pointers and then bump you down a level the next session.
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What classes do level 3 riders go to?
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Or when instructors tell you to keep doing what your doing, give no pointers and then bump you down a level the next session.
Has this happened?
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Old 02-08-2016, 11:36 AM   #64
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And why the is everyone busting my ? I'm on your side!
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seriously. If there are no classes for level 3 it's not a school, it's a track day and every excuse that Wonders and his side kick want to come up with are null and void.
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I only speak the truth. Best part was other riders were going much slower.
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seriously. If there are no classes for level 3 it's not a school, it's a track day and every excuse that Wonders and his side kick want to come up with are null and void.
We have people sometimes out of 2 that's just been promoted. We sometimes run the ARC in 3. Other than that there's no instruction in 3. But we still ask for courteous passing. The grids are stacked in a way that allows for not crazy track fees. I'm sure he can lower the grid count but fees will go up. That's the way Dave Wonders has always done things. Dennis like I said I don't make the rules. I'm a rider like you. I have to abide by them
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FYI I just brought it up again. Working for the minis!!!!
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FYI I just brought it up again. Working for the minis!!!!
Let me know if he brings up the terrible wreck at Laguna for motoamerica or explosive powder charges.
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Let me know if he brings up the terrible wreck at Laguna for motoamerica or explosive powder charges.
That's hilarious he did!
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Thats how you lose customers is by telling them they're not good enough for the level they signed up for. Wonders will do anything to keep customers.
Dennis I don't know what your beef is with Dave. When I talk to Dave one-on-one he never has anything bad to say about anyone. Yes he'll talk your ear off but he means well. He doesn't promote riders to levels anymore. He leaves that to us. Also he has a business to run so he takes everything we say and share with him and sees if he can provide it or improve it. He's scared shitless of frivolous lawsuits especially in our sport and rightfully so. People can get seriously hurt and lawyers eat this up. It's America after all. There will always be things we like to change. We listen to the riders for any and all improvements to make the school better. Open up a school and let me know. I'll be your first customer.
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I tried to TM for him once and the whole day he went against everything I said. I tell riders they needed to be in a different level and they'd go complain to dave his response to me was there wasn't room in level 2 or 1 so they could stay in the wrong level to keep them happy. Riders would wreck then go back out the next session without them or an instructor talking to me when. I have them black flagged, they complained to dave and I got the same speech about needing to keep the customer happy. Right, after someone wrecks doesn't talk to anyone after the fact then tries to go back out with a up bike.
Every time I've had issues whether as a corner worker or Track marshal dave threw it aside and spits off some crazy he has no idea about and allows people to ride in the wrong levels or other dangerous situations when they knowingly signed up for the wrong level or have done something else unsafe and it's all about the customer.

I literally pulled a rider in from L3 who was erratic and off pace at MSRH and told him he needs to be in L2. He compained to wonders and wonders comes to me trying to tell me he allowed it because the guy was having issues passing and being held up by slower riders in L2, on his 750.

I may ride the track days but because of all of the issues I've had with him trying to run it, having never ridden and knowing really nothing about it, he creates dangerous scenarios.

If he's backed off since my time working for him then good, but he is not a rider, and never will be able to comprehend anything that we do on the track. He needs to run the business, not the trackday itself.
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He needs to run the business, not the trackday itself.
Absolutely agree. But yes he's backed off now. Most of those decisions are made by Randy or an instructor.

Saying that you gonna TM again or what?
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That's hilarious he did!
That makes my day, was the conversation less than 2 hrs? That's how long of my time he wasted. He did offer me a track day credit but when I tried to redeem it I got no response.
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