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Old 01-19-2016, 10:01 PM   #1
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I'm thinking about redoing the suspension on my crf450r to work better for woods riding and off road racing instead of mx. Anyone have recommendations for a shop?
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JM Racing or talk to Bobby at Motorcycles Unlimited. Those are the only two I'd trust with my suspension.
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And there you have it Dave. Bobby knows his stuff and does FANTASTIC work. The guy breathes suspension, lol.
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What type of budget do you have? I use Kreft moto in the Austin area and it's great stuff but pricey, you get what you pay for so depending on your skill level you should consider what level of suspension work you want done.
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I keep considering this but I like mx as much as woods riding and only have one bike. If only I could get my wife to understand that you need a bike for both.
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I keep considering this but I like mx as much as woods riding and only have one bike. If only I could get my wife to understand that you need a bike for both.
I'm not a fan of mx, too dangerous for me and I don't get enough thrill from flying through the air.

Convert the yzf to a woods bike and buy my crf450r and you'll be golden for both!
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You could always consider Factory Suspension, a lot of the Pro local woods racers use them and love it, and it's considerably cheaper than that of Kreft or CSR suspensions.

They are in Muskogee, OK so it's a quick turn around, normally up to 7-8 business days.

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Patrick, do you have a pricing on your website? I'm sure my bike probably needs valves and springs.
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We do it all:
We are a Certified Race Tech tuning center.
We're also an authorized Ohlins and Traxxion dealer/service center.
I've been building suspension for about 36 years and Bobby has been for the last 10+.
He is one of the most talented dirt bike suspension guys I've ever worked with.
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Patrick, do you have a pricing on your website? I'm sure my bike probably needs valves and springs.
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Give us a call and we can discuss how you're riding the bike, how much you weigh and how many hours the suspension has on it, and we can better advise you from there.
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Give us a call and we can discuss how you're riding the bike, how much you weigh and how many hours the suspension has on it, and we can better advise you from there.
Just curious why the amount of hours on the current set up is necessary to know if you're going to change it all up for a different discipline of riding. Seems to me that if you change it from its current "factory" set up you'll need new springs, valves, etc. And depending on riders weight and current spring rate which is between 160ish - 180ish, I would want new springs regardless of whether they were the matching rate or not, especially for the front.

Can you guys add the "Huck" valve design as well? This is a pretty common add on for woods riders, not solely for mx/sx riding.

What does your woods/mx suspension job include outside of valving, springs and the supporting internal parts?
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Also for added info, the PO had EBR do the suspension for their MX A level rider, so it's currently in a fast 180lbs mx rider setup.
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Just curious why the amount of hours on the current set up is necessary to know if you're going to change it all up for a different discipline of riding. Seems to me that if you change it from its current "factory" set up you'll need new springs, valves, etc. And depending on riders weight and current spring rate which is between 160ish - 180ish, I would want new springs regardless of whether they were the matching rate or not, especially for the front.

Can you guys add the "Huck" valve design as well? This is a pretty common add on for woods riders, not solely for mx/sx riding.

What does your woods/mx suspension job include outside of valving, springs and the supporting internal parts?


If it has a lot of hours I will typically recommend items like bushings, cartridge seals etc. depending upon the forks.

As far as the bottoming cone/piston or "Huck valve", yes, we're familiar with them and can install them, but they're typically not necessary for the average woods/trail rider.
Once again, once I actually visit with the rider and determine his usage and skill level I will recommend the level of the build.
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Also for added info, the PO had EBR do the suspension for their MX A level rider, so it's currently in a fast 180lbs mx rider setup.
Depending on what's been done/what components have been used you may not need valves, just new valve stacks.
Also depending upon the spring rate and initial preload vs your weight you also may or may not need new springs.

If you bring the forks in off the bike it's $90.00 to fully disassemble, clean and inspect them, as well as determine the valves and shim stacks that are in them.
From there we can see which way you need to go.
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If it has a lot of hours I will typically recommend items like bushings, cartridge seals etc. depending upon the forks.

As far as the bottoming cone/piston or "Huck valve", yes, we're familiar with them and can install them, but they're typically not necessary for the average woods/trail rider.
Once again, once I actually visit with the rider and determine his usage and skill level I will recommend the level of the build.
I train MX and do a lot jumping and log hopping in races so the huck valve was a necessity for me.

Does RT offer a shock head with dual speed settings? I have that on my CSR and I like the option for the enduros because those have multiple variances in terrain speeds and surfaces, it's a big help in that area.

What oil/s do you prefer to use? (My own personal curiosity here) I've played around with oil levels a bit and do prefer less air space with a stiffer spring in the front.
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I train MX and do a lot jumping and log hopping in races so the huck valve was a necessity for me.

Does RT offer a shock head with dual speed settings? I have that on my CSR and I like the option for the enduros because those have multiple variances in terrain speeds and surfaces, it's a big help in that area.

What oil/s do you prefer to use? (My own personal curiosity here) I've played around with oil levels a bit and do prefer less air space with a stiffer spring in the front.
At the skill level and pace that you're riding it's almost an absolute necessity.

RT does not currently offer a dual speed head. I've heard they are working on one but haven't seen much from them on it.

As far as fluids I like Bel Ray, Race Tech and Ohlins fluids.

Air spring is a very subjective thing, and really comes down to rider preference.
If you look at a chart the higher the oil level the stiffer the air spring becomes and the corresponding damping curve becomes much steeper, especially at the end of it's travel.
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