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Old 01-04-2016, 01:57 PM   #1
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Has anyone bought a motorcycle through ebay?

I've been bike shopping for some time, and found myself searching ebay as a way to compare costs from dealers nation wide. (Note, this is a new bike, being purchased from a dealer.)

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I found a bike I liked, with a buy-it-now price of $13,500. The ad indicates that taxes/registration fees will be additional, as they depend on the state you're in. They also list two specific administrative fees they will charge totaling about $250, and require a $250 deposit.

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This vehicle is also for sale on our lot and other advertising sources, we reserve the right to end this listing at anytime should the vehicle no longer be available for sale. The following terms of sale apply to all of our auctions.
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The successful high bidder will required to submit a $500 non-refundable deposit within 48 hours of the close of the auction to secure the vehicle. Understanding that the vehicle will remain available for purchase until the deposit has been secured. Buyer agrees to pay remaining balance due (plus applicable fees and taxes) within 5 business days of the close of the auction. All financial transactions must be completed before delivery of the vehicle.
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Cash (in person), certified check, bank transfers, or 3rd-party financing.
Fees and Taxes:
Out of state buyers are responsible for all state, county, city taxes and fees, as well as title/registration fees in the state that the vehicle will be registered.
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It is the customer's sole responsibility to verify the existence and condition of any equipment listed. We try our best to thoroughly describe the vehicle and its features, please contact us prior to bidding on the vehicle if you have any questions about the vehicle. We are NOT responsible for misprints on prices or equipment. It is the customer's sole responsibility to verify the accuracy of the prices and equipment with the dealer. Pricing is subject to change without notice.
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OUR NATIONWIDE FINANCING, Certified Funds and/or Your Institutional Financing

FEES:

Out of State Buyers
Out of state buyers are not charged vehicle sales tax,title or license for the State of Texas.Our documentation fee is $50.00 and UVC/Admin. fee is $198.97 All sales transactions must be completed within 5 days of auction close.The customer is responsible for registering the vehicle in their home state.

Taxes and Fees
In state buyers will be charged state and local taxes, title, registration, and documentary fees. Our documentation fee is $50.00 and UVC/Admin. fee is $198.97 All sales transactions must be completed within 5 days of auction close.
Note: deposit listed in the ad terms($500) is different from the paypal invoice they sent for the deposit ($250).

The actual invoice I get from the dealership after paying the deposit has the agreed sales price, plus $600 freight, plus $700 setup, plus $125 document fee, plus the regular tax/inspection/registration fees. No mention of their roughly $250 in documentation fees or the $250 deposit I made.

Just wondering if it's worth protesting the roughly $1400 additional that has been tacked on from the sale price. Seems that since they list it as buy-it-now, they should have either explicitly stated that those costs would also be added on, or just included them in the asking price. Thoughts? (I sent Fresnel a PM to see what his thoughts were.)
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After all the hassles with buying online, you'd probably be better off buying from a dealership. At least you get to take the bike home after all the BS at the dealership vs. waiting a few weeks for it to be delivered to you... not to mention if something happens to it in transit, you might be looking again for another bike... only prolonging the process to get on 2 wheels and have fun.
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yea that sounds shady......which dealer is it. I know of a few dealers outside of TX that sell a lot of bikes on ebay and Ive read a lot of threads where their experiences were great.

You should not have to pay anything outside of ebay for that bike. The deposit should go through ebay....
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Old 01-04-2016, 02:13 PM   #4
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The dealership is in Round Rock, and if all goes agreeably I'll drive up with my wife on Saturday, inspect the bike, and ride home.

The other dealerships I've been dealing with on this bike are in New England, but are the largest volume dealers nationwide and have a good reputation. Each told me over the phone that the price listed is the price I'd pay them, I'd pay the shipper to get the bike to me, and registration fees would be paid directly to the state when I register it here. I think there are only 4 dealers listed in Texas in total, and the one in Houston isn't budging on price.

The dealership I have a purchase agreement with is Dream Machines of Austin (Indian dealer, not listed for this particular bike). It may be that he just emailed me their standard sales form; he asked that I look it over and send him any questions I had. I was just wondering if anyone else had messed with this at all. I'm waiting to hear back from him and will post up how it turns out. If it goes well I'll save about $2k over what the local dealer is asking, and honestly, even if they won't budge on the extra $1400 I'm still getting a decent deal.
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The email I sent him:
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Just looking for some clarification. The setup and freight fees were not listed in the ebay auction, nor referenced as fees that would be applicable in addition to the agreed sales price, unlike the sales tax, registration, and documentation fees. I expected that (as has been the case with other dealerships I've worked with through ebay) that the freight/setup/misc. fees that are NOT directly associated with state specific costs would have been included with the "buy-it-now" price. Copied directly from your ad:


Taxes and Fees
In state buyers will be charged state and local taxes, title, registration, and documentary fees. Our documentation fee is $50.00 and UVC/Admin. fee is $198.97 All sales transactions must be completed within 5 days of auction close.

That said, my expectation was to see the price agreed upon through ebay, the sales/registration/tax fees, and some note on the invoice of how the $250.00 deposit I submitted has been applied (if it covers the stated documentation fee of $50. and UVC/Admin. fee of $198.97), as has been my experience dealing with other dealers through ebay. Please advise.
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You might want to note to yourself that purchasing a motor vehicle on Ebay is NOT a binding contract (real estate is another). So if you think you have been taken advantage of just refuse to complete the transaction.
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what kind of bike Jae?
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Looking at Urals. Not thrilled with the Venture as a tug and don't quite trust myself to fabricate the leading link forks it would need.
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Think of ebay as a classified ad. Just call the dealer and negotiate a price over the phone. They will end the auction if you buy it.
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Guy just got back to me and knocked about $1500 off his original BoS, putting it right where I'd hoped we'd end up. I'm pretty excited now, looks like it will work out well.
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Vehicle purchases are a bit different, especially as I'm financing through my credit union and buying from a dealer. Ebay does have a finance branch now that you can work with, but only the initial deposit is actually handled through paypal or ebay. Due to legal differences in how states handle vehicle and real estate transactions, committing to purchase either through ebay is not legally binding (as someone else pointed out previously).

After talking to the sales guy he said he had just pulled the standard excel sheet they used and plugged in the sales price. When I asked about it he knocked the standard fees off and changed the others to reflect what was in the ad. I'm happy, and certainly won't complain. It would've been a decent deal with the original numbers, it's a pretty good deal in my opinion at $1,500 less.
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You were big into Euro bike night, weren't you? It all makes sense now
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Thats fukin awesome bro!! I wanna be the first sidecar passenger!!
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Bought my 2009 HD XR1200 from ebay. Good bike was a hassle paying but I set up the transport from NC was 500 bucks so yeah. The bike was 5500. So a steal.
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Bought plenty of vehicles off ebay, 2 and 4 wheels. Read ALL the fineprint... carefully. Pay your deposit ONLY through paypal. If the seller disagrees with that... bail. You can always file a dispute with Paypal to get your money back. I've had to do that from time to time, not very often. I have prevailed every single time. I am going through 2 right now, unfortunately. None of my ebay disputes were vehicles though. Just stuff purchases.

Anyhow, if it is not specifically spelled out in the original ad, you do not have to pay. If I were you at this point, I would open a case with ebay and get your money back.

NEVER NEVER deal with seller OUTSIDE of ebay/paypal system. BIG NO NO.
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Never bought one from a dealer. Probably because of all the fuzzy math involved. Have bought and sold several to private individuals. Buying sight unseen is risky. I have ended up with as many bad buys as good.
Well, it's a new bike (14 miles on the odo) from a legitimate dealer, and I verified with Ural before signing the papers that I have the full 3 year factory warranty on it. I'm comfortable.

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Thats fukin awesome bro!! I wanna be the first sidecar passenger!!
You'll have to meet me in Austin Saturday morning then, or else I'm pretty sure that my wife and boys will beat you to it. They're a little excited to have a sidecar again.

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Bought plenty of vehicles off ebay, 2 and 4 wheels. Read ALL the fineprint... carefully. Pay your deposit ONLY through paypal. If the seller disagrees with that... bail. You can always file a dispute with Paypal to get your money back. I've had to do that from time to time, not very often. I have prevailed every single time. I am going through 2 right now, unfortunately. None of my ebay disputes were vehicles though. Just stuff purchases.

Anyhow, if it is not specifically spelled out in the original ad, you do not have to pay. If I were you at this point, I would open a case with ebay and get your money back.

NEVER NEVER deal with seller OUTSIDE of ebay/paypal system. BIG NO NO.
a) The original deposit WAS through Paypal, and
b) I emailed the salesman that gave me the original quote. His next correspondance was stating that he used the standard sales Excel spreadsheet that calculated all that other stuff automatically, as it typically applied to dealership sales. He updated it to reflect the price and fees exactly as shown on ebay, which knocked about $1500 off the price. New 2wd Ural out the door (with registration and taxes) for just a hair over $14k.
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