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Old 07-16-2007, 10:01 AM   #41
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here's a small video clip of how we were taking the Horse Shoe (most dangers section of the track).

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Not sure about that. I think it's one of the safer parts of the track. I would consider turns 4 & 8/9 (by the old tire wall) to be more dangerous. You're going much faster here and a mistake can cause bad crashes. A crash in the horeshoe is typically a non-event due to the slow speeds. Usually lowsides there. Now the left hander after the horeshoe is high-side city and that can be a pretty bad turn if you're too ham-fisted w/ the throttle, same goes for 15 exiting onto the straight. Also, The worst injury I've seen was from a crash at a trackday was in turn 1 in the advanced group. A crash at that high rate of speed is what I call dangerous.

My comments for Robert95z would be to not even think about what time you are running. I know you said you were just curioius, but the A group is the only group that I would even say you'll see a benchmark of lap times that you need to get to in order to ride safely for yourself and more importantly for the saftey of the others on the track. Groups C & B is all about familiarity w/ the experience, good lines, improving form, throttle control, braking, etc. The lap times in C & B are so broad that it is very difficult to pin them down.
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Old 07-16-2007, 10:08 AM   #42
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Last track day I did at TWS (Texas World Speedway) was on the busa in 04 and I think I was running low 3.50s
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Old 07-16-2007, 10:33 AM   #43
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Not sure about that. I think it's one of the safer parts of the track. I would consider turns 4 & 8/9 (by the old tire wall) to be more dangerous. You're going much faster here and a mistake can cause bad crashes. A crash in the horseshoe is typically a non-event due to the slow speeds. Usually lowsides there. Now the left hander after the horseshoe is high-side city and that can be a pretty bad turn if you're too ham-fisted w/ the throttle, same goes for 15 exiting onto the straight. Also, The worst injury I've seen was from a crash at a trackday was in turn 1 in the advanced group. A crash at that high rate of speed is what I call dangerous.

My comments for Robert95z would be to not even think about what time you are running. I know you said you were just curioius, but the A group is the only group that I would even say you'll see a benchmark of lap times that you need to get to in order to ride safely for yourself and more importantly for the saftey of the others on the track. Groups C & B is all about familiarity w/ the experience, good lines, improving form, throttle control, braking, etc. The lap times in C & B are so broad that it is very difficult to pin them down.


+1, the carousel / horseshoe is probably the safest place at TWS (Texas World Speedway) to go down.
The worst would have to be 1&2, because of the speed and the culvert not far off the track, followed by 8a (9 for you young guys).

dhdrider has some good advice; Until you've got a few track days under your belt, don't worry about lap times. Concentrate more on just learning the track and being smooth.
After you've been in B group a while, you may want to start tracking your laptimes, not necessarily to try to start beating them, but to be as consistent as you can.

Once you get consistent, you can work on shaving seconds.
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Groups C & B is all about familiarity w/ the experience, good lines, improving form, throttle control, braking, etc. The lap times in C & B are so broad that it is very difficult to pin them down.
You learn a lot when you cornerwork. It is very interesting to see the different levels of riding. I love to cornerwork Fridays on a CMRA weekend because you get to see the B streetgroup, the Novice Riders and then the Experts.
You can tell just by their style of riding what group is out.
The Experts are supersmooth and everything looks very easy. I am sure it takes lots and lots of experience to be in this group and ride some awesome times.
The B group has a lot of jerky braking coming into a turn, their lines are off, they are not as smooth through the turn.

I would say, look at riding at your experience level first and be smooth at it, don't worry about times until you are interested in racing :icon_bigg
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Last track day I did at TWS (Texas World Speedway) was on the busa in 04 and I think I was running low 3.50s
I hope to get in the 3.40s with the 1098 Remember "slow is smooth and smooth is fast"
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DH and Patrick is right, don't worry about your lap times. Go out there work on your line and forms, be smooth. If you are passing riders then you are on your way up the rank but if you are being passed, you need to demote yourself or pick up the pace. Practice makes perfect. Ride to your ability or where you are comfortable. Don't let other pushed you, easy to say hard to do. When you are fast enough to pass many riders or not many pass you then you are ready to time yourself.
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When you are fast enough to pass many riders or not many pass you then you are ready to time yourself.
And not just on the straights after they had just past you in a turn.
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i notice in your picture you are not looking trough the turn you looking in front of you and thats a no no:icon_bigg
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i notice in your picture you are not looking trough the turn you looking in front of you and thats a no no:icon_bigg
I do this all the time with photographer and corner workers. I always get fixated when I see them in a corner. I look to see if they are waving any flags and sometimes I get confused the photographer with rider down in some corners.
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