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Old 11-10-2015, 09:48 AM   #1
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A few of yall know my speed triple has been down for a few months. Been having a ton of issues/ just bad luck in general. Most likely going to sell it once its back in working order and in my hands. I plan on getting a SM once this strom works its self out!

My question regarding SM, what kind of reliability are yall getting out of your bikes. Most 4 stroke MX bikes these days recommend putting a new piston in every 8 hours or so (iv had friends wait until 30-40 hours ). Im assuming thats a little excessive considering we're not racing these bikes. Theyre not seeing the type of abuse they would see at the track. How often have you had to rebuild? What kind of costs have you seen so far with your SM. Bikes im considering include the wr450f at the top of the list followed by crf450x. Then some full on MX bikes as well. ktm350/450/500/525, yz450f, crf450r, kx450f. I understand these are race machines not designed cruise down the highway. Im just looking for some real world input. If i had to guess, id say the bike will see about 50/50 dirt and street.

Added note: iv considered a drz400/similar bulletproof 650 enduro models. Im wanting more performance than these have to offer.

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To be brief, you've got to pay to play! My 525SMR wasn't too bad maintenance wise, everything that I couldn't handle went to Patrick at Motorcycles Unlimited. If you haven't already, sign up at supermotojunkie and start reading.
I understand that! Thanks for the site reference. Ill check it out
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Most of the high strung 450s do require more frequent oil changes. Regardless of the factory recommendations, I can tell you that my real life experience has shown that you can generally get between 100 to 140 hours out of a 450 before needing to break it open.

My history includes a lot of hill country rides Sunday morning rides and track days on my 2006 KTM SMR 450. I have a good friend that has an 05 exc 450 KTM that has never had the motor apart and probably has well over 200 hours on it. He does not ride at a very high rpm range very often and its only used somwhat non aggressively at track days. Most of the street riding done on it is at a brisk pace but not hard on the motor.

The DRZ obviously is somewhat bulletproof. There's no question about that. Also, air cooled Hondas or air cooled Suzuki's generally tend to be somewhat bulletproof as well although you're down a little bit on power. Another good option to consider is a KTM lc4. They have their quirks and vibrate quite a bit but they will go many miles without needing a rebuild.

My current theory on the high strung 450s is simply put $50 a month away to cover the engine rebuild when you need it. About the time it's needed you'll have just enough funds to cover it. Cheap insurance and well worth the smiles per mile.
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Gonna give you the power delivery you want (ie. Wheelie every time) but the air cooled bikes just aren't as fun but more reliable. I blew mine up in six months but it was smoking when I got it.
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If you aren't racing you can get about 150-200 hours on a top and bottom end. Maybe 300-400 on the head if don't ride a honda.
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, Much better life than i was expecting to hear. Thanks for yalls input
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I grew up riding 2 strokes! im aware or their reliability. Top end rebuilds quite frequently but cheap compared to 4 strokes! I appriciate it. Im loving the torque of my speed triple and want the same kind of low end grunt again this time around!
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Two strokes have more vibrations and will put your hands to sleep on the street. You would also have to carry around oil and they are a bit trickier to wheelie. Let's be honest, that's half the fun of a tard. But when it comes time to write a check for the rebuild, the two stroke is more friendly on your bank account.
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Have any of yall added external oil coolers?
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I have not.
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Most of the high strung 450s do require more frequent oil changes. Regardless of the factory recommendations, I can tell you that my real life experience has shown that you can generally get between 100 to 140 hours out of a 450 before needing to break it open.

My history includes a lot of hill country rides Sunday morning rides and track days on my 2006 KTM SMR 450. I have a good friend that has an 05 exc 450 KTM that has never had the motor apart and probably has well over 200 hours on it. He does not ride at a very high rpm range very often and its only used somwhat non aggressively at track days. Most of the street riding done on it is at a brisk pace but not hard on the motor.

The DRZ obviously is somewhat bulletproof. There's no question about that. Also, air cooled Hondas or air cooled Suzuki's generally tend to be somewhat bulletproof as well although you're down a little bit on power. Another good option to consider is a KTM lc4. They have their quirks and vibrate quite a bit but they will go many miles without needing a rebuild.

My current theory on the high strung 450s is simply put $50 a month away to cover the engine rebuild when you need it. About the time it's needed you'll have just enough funds to cover it. Cheap insurance and well worth the smiles per mile.
Great point. Iv thought about 640 or 690. The price of an enduro r is about twice what ill be spending on my SM. about 4k-4.5k is all im looking to spend. On top of that, i also plan on doing a lot of dirt riding. I feel like a (nearly) 700cc bike will be a it much to lug around the trails.
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Great point. Iv thought about 640 or 690. The price of an enduro r is about twice what ill be spending on my SM. about 4k-4.5k is all im looking to spend. On top of that, i also plan on doing a lot of dirt riding. I feel like a (nearly) 700cc bike will be a it much to lug around the trails.
Another thing to think about is the suspension. If you can find a factory supermoto or one that has had the suspension setup for supermoto you would be doing yourself a favor. Braking on the road where there is unlimited grip will blow through the stroke of stock suspension. A stiffer setup is nice when you are really getting on the brakes. But if you are going to swap back and forth between a knobby setup then it will be a trade off. My Husky had proper supermoto suspension but offroad it was a handful and would deflect off the tiniest of rocks and bumps. Onroad it could out brake anything with wheels. Was a nice crutch when chasing all my buddies that are faster than me which is basically all of them. Sure they could corner faster but I could close the gap on the brakes because they had a stock setup. Could also close the gap after the corner because my motor was built by an Italian mad scientist with a supermodel girlfriend and everyone else's was built by an overworked Japanese factory employee with small hands.
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Frequent oil changes have kept my previous WR450 and current CRF450X happy. At less than 1qt capacity, i change the oil after every weekend ride. Its very cheap insurance.
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Another thing to think about is the suspension. If you can find a factory supermoto or one that has had the suspension setup for supermoto you would be doing yourself a favor. Braking on the road where there is unlimited grip will blow through the stroke of stock suspension. A stiffer setup is nice when you are really getting on the brakes. But if you are going to swap back and forth between a knobby setup then it will be a trade off. My Husky had proper supermoto suspension but offroad it was a handful and would deflect off the tiniest of rocks and bumps. Onroad it could out brake anything with wheels. Was a nice crutch when chasing all my buddies that are faster than me which is basically all of them. Sure they could corner faster but I could close the gap on the brakes because they had a stock setup. Could also close the gap after the corner because my motor was built by an Italian mad scientist with a supermodel girlfriend and everyone else's was built by an overworked Japanese factory employee with small hands.
Good point. I think id prefer to have it set up more towards dirt. I feel like I'd miss it more off road than I would on pavement. I guess we'll see
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Are you changing the oil filter everytime as well? Just curious
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I used to change the filter every other time, but since i bought a 20 pack of filters, i've been changing them every time. On the 450x, i spill and fill the trans fluid every other time.

Most would say that's a little excessive, but i think of it as cheap insurance, and i've never had any mechanical failures to date. *knock on wood*
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I used to change the filter every other time, but since i bought a 20 pack of filters, i've been changing them every time. On the 450x, i spill and fill the trans fluid every other time.

Most would say that's a little excessive, but i think of it as cheap insurance, and i've never had any mechanical failures to date. *knock on wood*
Same here on my CRF490. Engine oil after every race weekend (sometimes after Friday practice AND again after sprints, etc) with transmission side and engine filter every other engine oil change.

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